http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Edinburgh bike share en Sun, 17 May 2026 20:22:08 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6902 Thu, 13 May 2010 14:04:31 +0000 chdot 6902@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm guessing that's a cynical viewpoint rather than a specific goal of Streetscape?"</p> <p>The second bit is jaundiced observation, the first bit is true.</p> <p><a href="https://cyclingedinburgh.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/not-seeing-red" rel="nofollow">https://cyclingedinburgh.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/not-seeing-red</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6901 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:59:01 +0000 cb 6901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Notable for not wanting red surfacing (on ASLs) and for ability to turn blind eye to parked or moving vehicles. "</p> <p>I'm guessing that's a cynical viewpoint rather than a specific goal of Streetscape? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6900 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:55:47 +0000 chdot 6900@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Turn the air blue would ya?"</p> <p>Not so much the language - more the strength of feeling.</p> <p>Years of frustration of watching good ideas/intentions/initiatives going nowhere because of competing agendas/priorities.</p> <p><em>Obviously</em> I/'we'/others want more people cycling (more often) but there still far too many people (in the UK) who see cars (and their 'needs') as more important/economically vital/natural etc. than cyclists, pedestrians, people, streetscapes/public space/health/trees etc. etc...</p> <p>There are microcosms of this within in the Council. How else to explain that the red surface on Marchmont Road never gets renewed while money is spent on ........................... fill in the space yourself.<br /> <center>-</center></p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS69oIAa5UU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS69oIAa5UU</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6899 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:44:19 +0000 spytfyre 6899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Sometimes I just have to be careful not to say what I really think...."</p> <p>Turn the air blue would ya? ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6898 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:42:44 +0000 chdot 6898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"what is Streetscape"</p> <p>In general - "<a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet;internal&amp;action=search?searchstring=Streetscape&amp;startIndex=0">Edinburgh Standards for Streets is proposing a mechanism for achieving improvement and coherence in the public realm</a>"</p> <p>More specifically (in this context) a section of Planning concerned about the appearance of the city - but mostly concerned with the centre/World Heritage bits.</p> <p>Notable for not wanting red surfacing (on ASLs) and for ability to turn blind eye to parked or moving vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6897 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:37:04 +0000 chdot 6897@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"NEXT time you talk to the press - record your conversation"</p> <p>I quite often only quote by e-mail.</p> <p>But yesterday I was between meetings and didn't want to spare the extra time to 'phone him and then compose my reply.</p> <p>He's one journalist I don't worry about being misquoted by or (worse) 'taken out of context'. </p> <p>Sometimes I just have to be careful not to say what I really think.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6896 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:33:34 +0000 spytfyre 6896@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD "Have you no sense man?"</p> <p>You've met me, right? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6895 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:27:44 +0000 spytfyre 6895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot "Did I really say "lukewarm"? (I don't remember!)"</p> <p>NEXT time you talk to the press - record your conversation, that way you can punish them when they misquote you... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6894 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:27:34 +0000 SRD 6894@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know we mention it periodically, but what is Streetscape, and why is it such an issue in Edinburgh? I googled it, and the first thing that came up was actually London, which suggests that it shouldn't prevent bike schemes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6893 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:21:31 +0000 chdot 6893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Personally, I'm not that convinced of the benefits of bike share schemes, but maybe I'll be converted."</p> <p>Well they work.</p> <p>Whether they are 'cost effective' is another issue.</p> <p>THERE IS NO DOUBT that many of the people using them weren't previously cycling in those city centres.</p> <p>IF Edinburgh said 'we have looked at all the other schemes and have concluded that the same money would be better spent on'...</p> <p>BUT</p> <p><strong>There is no money.</strong></p> <p>Options for advertising - revenue - (in Edinburgh) is reduced by the "Streetscape" view of the world.</p> <p>I might suggest that a Scottish <a href="http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=fr&amp;u=http://www.velib.paris.fr/&amp;ei=NO7rS62SM5Hw0wSf1dXkBw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=translate&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=3&amp;ved=0CCYQ7gEwAg&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvelibe%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26prmd%3Div ">Vélib'</a> is the 'price' for Edinburgh to be a 'European City' - bit like the tram - only cheaper... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6892 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:11:34 +0000 spytfyre 6892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I will do it then. Link AWAY! muahahahaaa </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6891 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:08:52 +0000 chdot 6891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"DON'T READ THE COMMENTS!!!!"</p> <p>Was about to post a link to here, but decided against it..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6890 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:07:50 +0000 chdot 6890@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Did I really say "lukewarm"?</p> <p>(I don't remember!)</p> <p>Reads like I went to the ENews - they contacted me for a quote. I'm not complaining, but I assumed someone else had raised the issue - or that something had happened.</p> <p>If anything this is old news and things have moved on in a (slightly) more positive way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6889 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:06:38 +0000 spytfyre 6889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>sorry... I am addicted to crack comments... oh god, if they combined EEN comments with Facebook... *cold shivers* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6888 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:02:31 +0000 SRD 6888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>DON'T READ THE COMMENTS!!!! Have you no sense man? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6887 Thu, 13 May 2010 13:00:54 +0000 spytfyre 6887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh joy<br /> "Tram bosses have already said they intend to allow trials in which cyclists will be able to take their bikes onboard – a UK first. However, the trial will not begin until at least a year after the trams are up and running."</p> <p>and</p> <p>The Real Alfonsa Pedrosa (there are fakes? or is it like the REAL Ghostubsters?)<br /> "Sounds a good plan for reducing cars and having fresh air,but keep the cyclists of our pavements."</p> <p>and that's just the start... I don't think I read a single positive comment on there </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=795#post-6886 Thu, 13 May 2010 12:55:18 +0000 SRD 6886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and now the article we've all been waiting <a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Anger-as-brakes-put-on.6291883.jp">for...</a></p> <p>Personally, I'm not that convinced of the benefits of bike share schemes, but maybe I'll be converted. </p>