http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: russell road trambles en Sun, 17 May 2026 09:42:11 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117625 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:07:20 +0000 kaputnik 117625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I gave up going this way on the way home (it would be quicker, and the rest of the ride more pleasant than my current route), precisely because of traffic queueing up at Murieston trying to turn onto Dalry Road. The road here has parking on both sides and is so narrow as to make filtering absolutely impossible. The only options are to either scoot up the wrong lane on the outside (often possible, but dangerous as there's nowhere to pull into if something starts coming) or to get off and push it up the pavement, which is faster and safer but inconvenient and it's not always easy to get back onto the road.</p> <p>So desperate are motorists to turn into and out of Murieston that they take far too many risks. Seen cyclists (including myself) come close to getting wiped out because someone thought their clever "shortcut" might save them 20 seconds. </p> <p>It's a narrow, residential street with a children's playpark in the central triangle. It's shocking that is a two-way officially sanctioned through-route with parking on both sides. The other side of the triangle is one-way which is a slight improvement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117622 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 22:50:27 +0000 neddie 117622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today at 5-30pm traffic was backed-up heading North along Russell Rd from the Roseburn St junction right back to the Royal Mail offices/Haymarket depot entrance!</p> <p>Just shows <em>how much</em> traffic is rat running through there. I feel sorry for the poor residents of Muireston Crescent/Place/Road, their lives must be totally blighted by it. It must be hard for them to even cross the road to get to the lovely park that is bounded on all sides by roads used by these rat runners </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117511 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:08:33 +0000 neddie 117511@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree the A8/Roseburn St/Russell Rd junction could do with a redesign. Perhaps they could extend the traffic lights to cover all of the roads, instead of just the A8/Roseburn St.?</p> <p>However, the <em>underlying </em>problem is the volume of traffic on Russell Rd which is <em>also </em>being used as a rat run. It would be much easier, cheaper &amp; effective to cure the cause rather than the symptoms (the cause being Russell Rd rat running).</p> <p>While the Haymarket junction is closed, I think it's fair play for Russell Rd to be used as a 'bypass'. Once Haymarket reopens, I think steps should be taken to limit through traffic on Russell Rd and especially the residential section of Muireston. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117507 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:54:39 +0000 neddie 117507@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The other day I saw a car trying to make a right turn out of Russell Rd onto Roseburn St by going <em>to the right</em> of the traffic island (i.e. on the wrong side of the road!), while there was a car on the left of the traffic island already waiting to turn right!</p> <p>When I gesticulated his error, he then tried to reverse back. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to drive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117496 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:20:04 +0000 cb 117496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" avoiding the left-turn traffic light at the exit of Roseburn St on to the A8 (it has a filter anyway!)"</p> <p>There's no filter there - just a standard green.</p> <p>In the car, in days of yore, I used to use the rat run. I never do anymore. When coming from Russel lRoad I always watch which cars behind me /do/ use the rat run. Even when I get 'stuck' at red I find I'm invariably faster than them.</p> <p>I think part of the problem is that turning right out of Russell Road is 'tricky'. Invariably to avoid getting stuck there for all eternity you have to turn half left onto Roseburn St then hard right to join the queue at the lights.</p> <p>In my opinion the junction needs a redesign. Perhaps turning right from the A8 should take you onto Russell Road with a further right hand turn required to go down Roseburn Street?</p> <p>And of course, block off the rat run. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117495 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:17:03 +0000 Instography 117495@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've done the Russell Road access a few times with the tandem and although you need to take it wide, it's not too bad. Could be better but it's not unusable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117493 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:56:43 +0000 DaveC 117493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had assumed this was closed, why was it left open so long? Daft. About time these rat runs were all closed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117491 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:40:10 +0000 chdot 117491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"CEC really should block up this rat run permanently."</p> <p>Agreed! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-117490 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:34:59 +0000 neddie 117490@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Roseburn Gardens has been shut to traffic for roadworks this week...</p> <p>Roseburn Place is part of the 'quiet' cycle route connecting the Corstophine path to the Roseburn path. Unfortunately, in combination with Roseburn Gardens, it is used as a nasty rat-run. All so that drivers can save a few seconds by avoiding the left-turn traffic light at the exit of Roseburn St on to the A8 (it has a filter anyway!)</p> <p>Anyway, Roseburn Place is now lovely and quiet, and it's hilarious watching all the rat runners have to make a difficult u-turn, or drive a long way round the block.</p> <p>CEC really should block up this rat run permanently. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-84636 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:18:18 +0000 Arellcat 84636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For what it's worth, EdinburghTrams has responded to my request for information on the triple/quadruple switchback path at the corner of Russell Road. Not a very comprehensive response, it must be said; ET explained the reason but didn't answer any of my detailed questions about design standards.</p> <p>Line 3 to Granton is currently shelved. That means the works north of the new tram bridge at RR is also currently shelved. The tram bridge also occupies some of the space formerly belonging to the original switchback path, meaning there was less space than before to construct temporary (and ET did use that word, albeit rather creatively) access to the NEPN, and in order to comply with gradient regs, it has three hairpin turns. So if you trikers and tandemmers and recumbenteers don't like it, well that's just tough, and you'll have to go the long way round.</p> <p>Temporary, eh? This is Edinburgh, I know how that'll work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-82789 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:55:34 +0000 kaputnik 82789@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I may have a vested interest in that it's on my route and at least twice I've almost been taken off my bike by someone making the Place &gt; Garderns turn and cutting the corner off into the lane I happen to be waiting in to make my turn. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-82786 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:21:15 +0000 cb 82786@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I thought to myself that Roseburn Gardens really should be either one way or a dead end"</p> <p>Agreed. My experience of being is the car is that it is just as quick, if not quicker, to go the 'proper' way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-82784 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:02:26 +0000 kaputnik 82784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Went that way this morning, there was 1 car using it, doing the rat run (along signed cycle route) from Roseburn Street along Roseburn Place and Roseburn Gardens then onto the Corstorphine Road to avoid the left turn at the lights outside the Roseburn Bar. I thought to myself that Roseburn Gardens really should be either one way or a dead end to prevent this (you already can't right turn into it from Roseburn Terrace without doing a U-turn around the pedestrian crossing island).</p> <p>I suppose it will take a wee while for it to register in the consciousness of drivers that it's open again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-82782 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:33:54 +0000 crowriver 82782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>it will make a noticeable difference to traffic flow having it open again.</em></p> <p>Behold, great god Traffic Flow! We humbly offer you a sacrifice. Cyclists will experience great inconvenience so that we may sing your praises!</p> <p>Does this not make you happy? Then we beseech you, grant us our wish and make the trams project finish On Time And On Budget... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=3#post-82775 Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:28:20 +0000 Arellcat 82775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the guys onsite yesterday, K's annotated photograph above is correct. I'm waiting to hear back from EdinburghTrams on some of the detail. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82605 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:29:21 +0000 kaputnik 82605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The existing bridge has a habit of eating unwary double decker buses. I assume they've built the tram bridge to new specifications to accomodate them, even though the wide deck of the railway bridge can't. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82603 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:05:17 +0000 BikeFan 82603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/groups-given-tram-trip-offer-1-2483700" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/groups-given-tram-trip-offer-1-2483700</a></p> <p>A charm offensive, eh? Stop that, you're ahead of me already . . . </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82601 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:16:14 +0000 stiltskin 82601@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes. The railway bridge is lower than the tram one. It's to stop people from assuming that both are the same height and smacking the second one. Thank goodness the road has reopened. It has been a complete PITA having it closed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82597 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:01:21 +0000 Snowy 82597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm wondering if they are a simple early-warning device for high vehicles - they may be indicative of a lower bridge further on. Although you'd perhaps expect them to be marked in some way if so. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82596 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:44:25 +0000 LaidBack 82596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As a key entry route to the Roseburn path this could have been made so much better for cyclists. The previous turn onto the pavement was a textbook study of how not to do cycle infrastructure. Now with a longer darker tunnel of bridges is the time to re-do this.<br /> Mind you the proposed pram ramp onto the path supposes that bikes come in one size, go in one direction and never meet on corners.<br /> I can't think of anything touched by the tram that has improved matters for cyclists so far.</p> <p>Don't know what black things hanging from bridge are cb. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82587 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:41:58 +0000 cb 82587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What are the black hangy-down things on the bridge for? (See pic in Scotsman article) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82576 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:16:20 +0000 chdot 82576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Council transport convener Lesley Hinds said: “Russell Road is a key route connecting Roseburn and Murrayfield to Gorgie and Dalry, so it will make a noticeable difference to traffic flow having it open again.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/tram-project-making-tracks-as-key-city-route-re-opens-1-2489299" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/tram-project-making-tracks-as-key-city-route-re-opens-1-2489299</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82555 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:20:35 +0000 chdot 82555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Not a single car was seen using it"</p> <p>Of course that won't last - but they've managed well enough for the past year, so why not keep it shut to through traffic?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82554 Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:16:54 +0000 Snowy 82554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Russell Road was indeed open end-to-end at 7pm this evening as I walked to Murrayfield. Not a single car was seen using it, which was pleasant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82533 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:45:53 +0000 steveo 82533@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, it should now have a good thick layer of mud and diesel if other works round the trams are anything to go by. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82531 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:39:29 +0000 cb 82531@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's a handy route available to me again when I'm in the car!</p> <p>I rather enjoyed it on the bike over the last year, despite the slow bit in the middle.</p> <p>Will it have been resurfaced? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82530 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:29:44 +0000 SRD 82530@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>woo-hoo - we should all go along for a celebratory ride... (just realised that doesn't mean the bike path, does it) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82528 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:27:35 +0000 Klaxon 82528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/239005718580195328" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/239005718580195328</a></p> <p><blockquote>@edintravel: Russell Road is expected to reopen at 6pm today. Please let us know if you see it's open &amp; we'll RT (we're here until 7pm). #edintravel</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82419 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:55:24 +0000 crowriver 82419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Any tandem; the Ute; anything towing a trailer... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8186&page=2#post-82413 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:03:08 +0000 SRD 82413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about Helios + trailer, as that is a route on which we would be likely to use that combo. </p>