http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: How not to decant children from a car... en Wed, 13 May 2026 03:52:41 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247&page=2#post-82517 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:59:07 +0000 slowcoach 82517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wc re 'the King's Highway is not a stable' - further reading suggests that this was based on a ruling from 1812. This seems to have been used for the rest of that century and some of the last one to outlaw other activities. More recent rulings eg 1999 say that uses of the road other than passage are allowed as long as they do not unreasonably obstruct the primary use. It would appear that the courts would have to decide if it was reasonable for a driver to obstruct a cycle lane, preventing its primary use. Perhaps this would depend on how reasonable it was for a cyclist to have to cross into another lane full of fast moving other vehicles?</p> <p>Re the road markings in the first video: yes they are broken lines which are meant to show an advisory cycle lane. However they also continue through the zig-zag controlled area of a pedestrian crossing which is(normally) against the Crossing regulations, as is the central hatching between zig-zags without a solid island. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247&page=2#post-82497 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:46:28 +0000 Claggy Cog 82497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are still far too many parents taking their children a short distance to school. I have always believed that if you or your children cannot walk to school you live too far away or out of the catchment area. This became a very big problem with the advent of league tables for schools with those that achieved high numbers of academic passes becoming THE school for your children to attend and parents cheating by using friends' or relatives' addresses near the school to get their kids in, and they may well have lived many miles away. In some instances people have moved house well out of the catchment area but do not move their children to the schools in their new locality, adding to traffic congestion all round. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247&page=2#post-82476 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:30:55 +0000 Claggy Cog 82476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think, as do so many others that it beggars belief, best done with kids getting out of the car on the road side!! Makes perfect sense to me and cannot really see why anyone would do it differently!!!!!!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247&page=2#post-82440 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:15:09 +0000 chdot 82440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still most children walk to school, but there's no doubt car users cause problems. </p> <p>Increasing numbers <em>are</em> cycling -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/7845422790/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8291/7845422790_b3d59492a1.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/7845422790/">The after school run</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82437 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:04:12 +0000 Lezzles 82437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cycle past a nursery on my way to work and it amazes me the number of parents whose child seat is on the right hand side of the car. They have to open the car door directly into traffic, they then have to carry their most prized possession from the road side to the pavement. Surely if they put the car seat on the left side of the car it would make the whole operation a lot safer for both them and their little darling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82434 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:01:16 +0000 fimm 82434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you watch the whole video you will see that the line is broken but the gaps are quite short and the lines quite long. At first glance at the still I thought it was a mandatory lane, too, but it isn't. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82412 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:02:21 +0000 RJ 82412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes - but the line is solid and the lane is in Edinburgh (unless I've missed something), and so appears at first sight to be "mandatory" (contra Cycle PC's post). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82409 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:42:50 +0000 crowriver 82409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Indeed it is. However the car does not enter the cycle lane (unless open doors count), the children do. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82400 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:06:55 +0000 RJ 82400@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Isn't the line between the cycle lane and the rest of the roadway in the original video solid?</p> <p>(In contrast to the QBC markings, which are clearly not) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82385 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:01:44 +0000 Cycle PC 82385@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hello,</p> <p>All 'cycle lanes' in Edinburgh are advisory. I have not come across any mandatory cycle lanes in my travels. If a cycle lane is mandatory, it will have a solid white line forming it's edge between the lane and the rest of the roadway. </p> <p>The only 'enforcement' around cycle lanes is the yellow line system, which is carried out by council employees.</p> <p>Paul. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82379 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:46:54 +0000 crowriver 82379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Why was my vehicle removed or relocated</p> <p>Your vehicle may be moved to the car pound for one of these reasons:</p> <p>Your vehicle was obstructing traffic or causing a safety hazard.<br /> It was parked on a single or double yellow line when loading isn't allowed.</em></p> <p>Hmm. These two hardly ever happen, at least not in Abbeyhill/Leith. Maybe in the Grange it's different, but not round here. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82372 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:00:57 +0000 Roibeard 82372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cars get lifted for road works too, probably more often than for offences, in which case they get dropped off at the next nearest legal spot, no doubt much to the surprise of the owner!</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/1274/tickets_clamping_and_removal/997/vehicle_removals/4">Why was my vehicle removed?</a></p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82353 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:07:10 +0000 chdot 82353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The problem is when we turn in front of the school, and she has to pass behind the cars that are dropping kids.  That's when the fun starts - doors opening, cars reversing, total madness.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://deceasedcanine.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/the-last-10-yards.html" rel="nofollow">http://deceasedcanine.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/the-last-10-yards.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82350 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:58:31 +0000 steveo 82350@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cars get lifted for being parked in the Greenways, actual Greeways not <em>just</em> bus lanes. If the DVLA get you for road tax then its of to the crusher not just he impound. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82347 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:47:04 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 82347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would be great wouldn't it! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82345 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:36:37 +0000 Dave 82345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC - you've spoilt my last best hope! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82343 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0000 crowriver 82343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aye. It's worse than that on McDonald Road, especially heading east. Despite carefully planned parking spaces which do not block the cycle lane, drivers (mostly but not always local residents with permits displayed or trade vans) insist on double parking, either blocking another car in the parking bay or sitting on a double yellow line next to a bin or built out kerb. Always blocking the cycle lane mind.</p> <p>Meanwhile empty parking spaces on side streets just around the corner... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82341 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:30:38 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 82341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@slowcoach - that sounds like one of those 'you can shoot a Scotsman within the Nottingham city walls with a bow and arrow' type laws that long ago passed into desuetude (if not outright replaced by various Road Acts).</p> <p>@Dave - only ever seen a car lifted for expired tax, specific powers for that granted to the DVLA. Not entirely sure they're going to start doing it for incorrectly parked cars! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82338 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:26:56 +0000 Dave 82338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair, I saw a car parked on the QBC at rush hour this week being lifted by the flatbed lorry, so while nine times out of ten it's made useless by abusive parking, perhaps they will start enforcing it?</p> <p>Some recent gems:</p> <p><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7844105752_22783dae0f_n.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/7844104382_ff72099e5c_n.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/7844108524_7db0a2fae2_n.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82337 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:26:07 +0000 crowriver 82337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Of course, there are some advisory lanes with no parking restrictions, which are just a complete waste of time and money...</em></p> <p>That would be most of the cycle lanes in the UK, then! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82333 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:13:08 +0000 slowcoach 82333@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"... if it's a single yellow and it's out-of-hours, they are entitled to park there ..."<br /> - I've heard there is no general right to park on roads except in designated parking spaces. This is based on an old court ruling that 'the King's Highway is not a stable' ie the road is meant for travelling along and providing access, not storage space. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82327 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:01:11 +0000 Roibeard 82327@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The advisory lane with parking restrictions almost makes it to being mandatory - the only difference is that motor vehicles can't drive in mandatory lanes.</p> <p>I'd say that the lanes are more often blocked by parking and loading, rather than being occupied by moving or queuing traffic, so we'd not gain much for the new TRO that we can't gain from the existing TRO that made the parking restrictions. Now, if only they were enforced!</p> <p>Of course, there are some advisory lanes with no parking restrictions, which are just a complete waste of time and money...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82314 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:27:27 +0000 kaputnik 82314@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>One campaign that might be a quick and easy 'win' would be to make the QBC a MANDATORY cycle lane</em></p> <p>except there's large stretches of the "lane" that have no "lane" at all! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82310 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:18:32 +0000 crowriver 82310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>QBC is an 'advisory' cycle lane. When was the last time most drivers took any advice that was not backed up with the threat of a fine/license endorsements? Even then, you need cameras/blue meanies to enforce the 'advice'...</p> <p>One campaign that might be a quick and easy 'win' would be to make the QBC a MANDATORY cycle lane. All it needs is a TRO and a solid white line to replace the broken one.</p> <p>Sir Chris Hoy legacy consultees please take note... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82307 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:14:23 +0000 kaputnik 82307@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>QBC is not legally a cycle lane </em></p> <p>I guess there's a reason the council opted to call it a corridor and not a lane. Sounds nice, but enjoys no legal priveleges. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82303 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:09:07 +0000 mgj 82303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well then, we should be pointing out the ridiculous point that the QBC is not legally a cycle lane as discussed inthe Highway Code, and therefore a waste of paint </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82299 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:03:49 +0000 kaputnik 82299@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Is the QBC not a cycle lane with a period of operation?<br /> </em></p> <p>I'd say that the QBC qualifies as a car park with hours of operation. We get to use it when it isn't parking time. I don't think it's a mandarory lane? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82292 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:51:00 +0000 mgj 82292@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Highway Code rule 240</p> <p>You Must Not stop or park on<br /> (snip)<br /> a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation."</p> <p>Is the QBC not a cycle lane with a period of operation? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82289 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:33:30 +0000 kaputnik 82289@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thing is, if it's a single yellow and it's out-of-hours, they are entitled to park there and the sweary signs should be applied to the council offices or something.</p> <p>Alternatively, the office for the parking (not traffic) wardens are based out of is on Lower Gilmore Place, I cycle past it twice a day. Perhaps we could go out one morning and chalk out a breadcrumb trail from the front door, to the QBC, telling them that there's lots of "sport" to help them meet their targets parked there.</p> <p>Or maybe we "pounce" on cars that park in the QBC (in hours of operation) and tape them off with hazard tape and traffic cones once the owner abandons vehicle and get the chalk paint cans out and mark a diversionary lane around the offenders vehicle!? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8247#post-82286 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:23:04 +0000 crowriver 82286@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, those stickers that are designed to be really difficult to peel off. Saying KEEP OUT OF THE F***ING CYCLE LANE YOU ROAD HOG. Slap one on the driver's side window so they can't miss it.</p> <p>Hmm, I feel an order to an online printer coming on... </p>