http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: PY - Cargonaut Special en Tue, 23 Jun 2026 01:58:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-88262 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:00:53 +0000 LaidBack 88262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Kolla, har cyklar vi danskt!</p> <p>"Look, we have Danish bikes" thanks to web translate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-88252 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:57:20 +0000 chdot 88252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Niels Hoe (@nielshoe)<br /> 20/10/2012 10:41<br /> Sverige cykler dansk. RT: “@lastcykel: Lastcyklar i Södermalmsnytt <a href="http://pic.twitter.com/ILdVDVO9" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/ILdVDVO9</a><br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-86374 Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:21:27 +0000 Arellcat 86374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the Cool Hunter, cargobikes are cool.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thecoolhunter.co.uk/article/detail/1549/madsen-cargo-bikes" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecoolhunter.co.uk/article/detail/1549/madsen-cargo-bikes</a></p> <p>Personally I think the 8 Freight outcools the Madsen, but there you go. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85874 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:01:33 +0000 Darkerside 85874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Echo that almost precisely. The Carry Freedom is exactly what I need now for shifting inert 'lumps of stuff'. Relatively cheap, packs away into not very much at all, does the job.</p> <p>For stuff I care more about I'd be heading for the Bullitt I think. Although the lack of budget and storage makes my desire somewhat academic! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85873 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:16:11 +0000 Uberuce 85873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks, and yep, Cleopatra'd. Probable historical innaccuracy alert, mind.</p> <p>Update: I discovered the trick to managing the surge on a heavily loaded trailer is: ignore it, trust Nick at CarryFreedom knows what he's doing, that the hitch can take the strain and therefore just hammer over everything. Worked fine from The Bike Station to chez steveo out towards the Gyle, at any rate.</p> <p>If I was going to be using a bike to huckle burly stuff on a daily basis, especially for commercial purposes, I think I'd now plump for the Bullitt with Alfine and discs. The amounts of redundant strength I could feel in the frame and brakes was comforting like a hug from your Dad when you're four, and ability to see the load(as pointed out by Darkerside) sells it in the end.</p> <p> For personal purposes, and reasons of storage and budget, I still reckon I made the right choice with the Freedom. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85872 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:51:52 +0000 fimm 85872@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cleopatra'd?<br /> Nice photos. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85863 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:33:48 +0000 Uberuce 85863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The view as I arrived at the tree, ~6am:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027225805/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/8027225805_a4d12bc1c4_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>The view as we were just about done:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027226015/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8321/8027226015_c0230f8051_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>Dave rides the Bullitt. I wonder if his recumbent experience has anything to do with how quick he mastered the steering?</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027225079/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/8027225079_72f9535802_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>Crowriver meets the 8-Freight:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027225411/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8182/8027225411_b14fb0cd21_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>DaveC on the Bullitt:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027224801/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/8027224801_65c9ee2cec_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>I think it was more the post-Bullitt blues, but Dave's bullhorns and I didn't get along:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027224657/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/8027224657_d02d0bea46_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>Fimm's Brompton being Cleopatra'd around PY by myself and the big red fella:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027224377/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8317/8027224377_c9e2f8786f_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>Kaputnik meets the Bullitt:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027224161/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/8027224161_9ed6f377a7_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>Roibeard grins his way up MMW on the 8-Freight:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027223981/in/photostream/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/8027223981_98ec3d1aaa_m.jpg"><br /> </a><br /> Steveo carries his stone bags around on the Bullitt:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027222382/in/photostream"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/8027222382_c9aec4b08d_m.jpg"></a></p> <p>The assembled devices:</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uberuce/8027225661/in/photostream"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/8027225661_c73ff2c5f7_m.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85837 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:57:49 +0000 gembo 85837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Really we should get the bikes down to Ravelston Dykes there is a lot of wood on the side of the path </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85831 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:52:44 +0000 crowriver 85831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave, phew! </p> <p>With the Ute it's sometimes better to plonk heavier smallish items in sturdy shopping bags with carry handles. This makes it dead easy to lift the stuff in and out of the big panniers while resting a hand on the deck to steady the bike.</p> <p>I've had all sorts of stuff in there though: compost bins; boxes of books; children's cot (disassembled), wooden planks; a Workmate bench (folded); even one time lashed a mattress across the top deck and curled over the sides: that was a wide load! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85830 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:43:20 +0000 Dave 85830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It didn't actually fall over... uberuce managed to hold it up with one hand while dismounting the 25kg bag with the other &lt;/impressed!&gt; </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85826 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:33:30 +0000 crowriver 85826@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I had to laugh when I saw Uberuce lifting a 25kg sack of gravel out of one of the Ute's panniers. The bike fell over as the 'other' 25kg of gravel pulled the bike over off its two legged stand!</em></p> <p>I'm glad I didn't witness that! Must have been on the Bullitt or Pino at the time...</p> <p>It's certainly true that you have to balance the load, and you have to steady the bike with one hand while loading/unloading, or position it so that the loaded side is close to a wall or similar. </p> <p>Just as you would with a touring bike if you were adding/removing heavy panniers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85820 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:31:05 +0000 cb 85820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Noticed the new R&amp;M (electric) Load carrying bike get a mention in the latest Cycle.</p> <p><a href="http://en.r-m.de/load/">http://en.r-m.de/load/</a></p> <p>I imagine it will be rather expensive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85814 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:10:44 +0000 DaveC 85814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/?action=view&amp;current=video-2012-09-26-07-44-12.mp4">'VID1'</a><br /> <a href="http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/?action=view&amp;current=video-2012-09-26-07-45-21.mp4">'VID2'</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85813 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:02:20 +0000 DaveC 85813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Jeepers chdot, the chain on that bike looks very close to the ground. I'd be happer with a sprung chain sprocket (spelling?) to keep the chain off the ground. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85812 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:00:59 +0000 DaveC 85812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had to laugh when I saw Uberuce lifting a 25kg sack of gravel out of one of the Ute's panniers. The bike fell over as the 'other' 25kg of gravel pulled the bike over off its two legged stand! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=4#post-85811 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:46:09 +0000 chdot 85811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Having a small child sat behind me would make me slightly nervous I think."</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/2046941221/"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2232/2046941221_12a18b15fc.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/2046941221/">LPS nov 07 22.jpg</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85808 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:41:37 +0000 Darkerside 85808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It seems to me the major benefit of the Bullitt is that you can see your load, which is presumably a bonus for living cargo? Particularly at young ages.</p> <p>Having a small child sat behind me would make me slightly nervous I think. Although admittedly I don't have any to test the theory with... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85807 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:38:15 +0000 Uberuce 85807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD: good catch - I'd not considered the loading phase of use. The Bullitt/8-Freight bucket types have a real advantage there, as would a trailer with a secured box. </p> <p>The Carry Freedom is great in Sainsbury since they let me wheel it round inside, so I can pack it at the till and not even bother with bags. For heavier stuff, I'd prefer to source something more robust than a cooncil recycle box, and then drill the holes and add the feet to fit into the loading bed holes. Carrying the stones in the box required more careful riding than I like. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85799 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:16:27 +0000 crowriver 85799@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've loaded a lot more than 50kg into the Ute's capacious panniers, it will take 4 big bags of supermarket consumables. However the heavier the load, the more skittish the handling gets. There's also the need to balance the load, so 3 x 25kg was awkward. I could have strapped a sack onto the wooden deck, I had compression webbing with me. In all cases dead weight needs to be forward of the rear axle, lighter stuff at the back...</p> <p>Now a Ute plus a CF Y-Frame would be some combo... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85798 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:13:44 +0000 SRD 85798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not to critique Uberuce's detailed and useful review, but thinking about my day to day -- Circe Helios can take 2/4* rear panniers and like the Ute fits reasonably well round chicanes, corners etc but on a day to day if we're going to the market or a big shop, we often take the trailer because (a)it corners fine and (b) its much easier to just chuck the shpping in (like a boot), then carry panniers round, load them all carefuly etc. </p> <p>*to be fair, I don't have the fittings for it to take 4 panniers, but we've been debating this exact point. is it worth shelling out more than our trailer cost as as to be able to take 4 panniers for shopping? the game changer for us is actually more the 'would it not be handy to take toddler and 2 panniers' ? but even if we did buy the attach, for big shops, I suspect we'd stick to the trailer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85795 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:06:28 +0000 Uberuce 85795@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Kappers: If you or anyone else is interested in a demo of how the Freedom handles with 75kg of steveo's future garden on it, I'll be round the The Bike Station with mine at 6.45 or so tonight.</p> <p>For ease of use, the Ute was the winner since it's so similar to a normal upright. Second is the Carry Freedom, knocked off the top spot because it can't fit round chicanes and the like as well as I imagine the Ute can. Then it's the 8-Freight, then the Pino, and the Bullitt is the hardest to master.</p> <p>I had 75kg on the 8-Freight and the frame handles it fine, but the drum brakes took a little longer to stop down MMW than I'd like, and the turning circle is a bit big. </p> <p>The Carry Freedom also took 75kg, but the tug-surge on the polymer hitch is pretty unnerving. I think on balance it's a price worth paying for how much punishment it can take, though.</p> <p>The Ute surprised my by taking 50kg without a peep, although it did make it a touch tricky to handle for me. I was experiencing the post-Bullitt wobbles, though.</p> <p>The Bullitt took the 75kg and two panniers both loaded to around 6kg, with frame and brakes not giving a tinker's toss. I did find Angle Park Terrace to be a real scumbag even in first, although with the saddle set at my usual height maybe it would have been okay. The coaster brake met with universal thumbs down, including mine. It's got the beefogrip to stop the load after I let it build up a fair tilt going down Ardmillan Terrace, but it makes setting off pointlessly fiddly.</p> <p>If I was to be getting a Bullitt I think I'd save up the extra £300 for the model with the Alfine-8 for extra range, and the disc brakes in rear as well as front.</p> <p>Overall, I'd say the ideal standalone cargo bike would have the 8-Freight's rear bucket, but with hub gears and disc brakes. </p> <p>I'd also gladly shell out for a bike that was designed as a tractor unit. 20" wheels would allow you to bring the bottom bracket forward a fair bit, lowering the rider beach-cruiser style to reduce surge, which I think is caused by the CoM of load and rider being at a dogleg through the hitch.<br /> The chainstays would extend past the back wheel and meet behind it, allowing a fully rotating hitch. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85778 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:05:03 +0000 crowriver 85778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Trailers are great. That's how I started out, and I still use them for really heavy or bulky stuff. </p> <p>I can heartily recommend the <a href="http://www.carryfreedom.com/Y-Frame.html">Carry Freedom Y-Frame</a>, or build your own from <a href="http://www.carryfreedom.com/bamboo.html">Nick Lobnitz's 'Bamboo Trailer' design</a> with some inexpensive components and basic workshop tools. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenerleith/sets/72157624247844624/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenerleith/sets/72157624247844624/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85777 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:51:59 +0000 amir 85777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"vid"</p> <p>I love the sound effect in this video! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85775 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:44:05 +0000 kaputnik 85775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ultimately - for cost and storage space reasons - that a trailer hauled by the lowly gears of my touring bike is the logical cargo hauling solution for me.</p> <p>Birthday coming up... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85773 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:33:40 +0000 chdot 85773@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8026046436/in/photostream">Vid</a></p> <p>Now on YouTube in HD too -</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8udFNg54w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8udFNg54w</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85769 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:22:13 +0000 chdot 85769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8025926846/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/8025926846_7be1e42529.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8025926846/">PY cargo meet</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85765 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:06:54 +0000 crowriver 85765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tried out the Bullitt first, I found the steering really tricky. Every little twitch of the bars seemed to be amplified, sending the front wheel off (to the left for some reason) and tipping the bike over as I tried to compensate. I could not get the hang of it at all. Clearly I'm far too conventional for such a bike.</p> <p>Had a go on the Pino and found it very smooth and easy to handle, despite similarities with the Bullitt set-up. Slightly less 'amplification' effect as the front wheel not as far forward. Very comfy too.</p> <p>I'm glad I stayed around for the arrival of the 8 Freight though. What a bike! Despite being very long and thus having quite a large turning circle, this was a great bike to ride. The small wheels, low centre of gravity, and fat tyres made for a ride that felt like gliding along on a carpet. I like the 8 Freight: Mike Burrows clearly knows what he is doing.</p> <p>Thanks folks for bringing your steeds along. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85763 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:00:04 +0000 steveo 85763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That was great fun. </p> <p>The Bullit was just a little too twitchy, again I guess that would get better with practice and probably using it as ones only bike. The Kona was very civilised as was the 8-Freight, now if only I had space to store one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85757 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:53:24 +0000 lionfish 85757@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik/Dave: Someone said something about how the wheels weren't in-line on the 8-freight maybe could explain steering trickiness - please someone confirm I got the bike/fact right!</p> <p>I'm still intrigued by the single fork... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8314&page=3#post-85754 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:27:18 +0000 kaputnik 85754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I found the Bullit's steering very counter-intuitive. I suppose it would be fine with practice, but I found myself thinking I would prefer something more like a Ute or 8-Freight, where the load is carried on the back rather than the front. </p>