http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: More really bad advice needed! en Wed, 13 May 2026 04:03:07 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-86264 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:23:01 +0000 Smudge 86264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok, after much hand wringing and searching, I can't justify the purchase :-(<br /> That said, some carbon forks (which I have sat in the garage) might soften the ride a bit, and the Giant fits me, so I am now on the lookout for a cheapish slightly better spec (mine has the skinny headtube :-( ) Giant OCR frame in size small (or TCR/Defy or similar I guess) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84711 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:44:43 +0000 Smudge 84711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No I'm afraid to say I have less than no interest in commercial soccer ;-) I was brought up to follow the oval ball. Much more civilised and less overhyped!<br /> Just thought blue/white might look good, though with a black groupset and wheels I'm a little concerned it might look a bit too sombre :-s </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84705 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:05:23 +0000 crowriver 84705@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You a Rangers fan then? Or maybe Dundee/Falkirk (though the blue would need to be a dark navy). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84690 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:37:28 +0000 Smudge 84690@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm, getting dangerously close to phoning Mr Jackson :-s</p> <p>Probably for one in Royal Blue with white detailing, maybe with white headtube + downtube to brighten things up a little..</p> <p>Any opinions from the resident artist(s)? B-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84666 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:40:58 +0000 Smudge 84666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have Brooks ;-)<br /> (and no, I'm not planning a 600! :-)) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84665 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:34:28 +0000 crowriver 84665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, that's nice. </p> <p>Maximum clearance for 25c plus guards though. You're not planning on doing a 600k I hope... ;-)</p> <p>Some surprisingly good deals on <a href="http://www.daveyatescycles.co.uk/custom_bike_frames-audax_frames-26.php">hand-built Dave Yates frames</a>. Out of your budget range perhaps, but they look the business. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84663 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:22:48 +0000 Smudge 84663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>uh-oh.... just realised that an off the shelf Bob Jackson frame is not very much more at all.... :-o</p> <p><a href="http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=45" rel="nofollow">http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=28&amp;products_id=45</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84579 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:31:20 +0000 Smudge 84579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Crowriver, yup, putting bicycles or people into categories is fraught with danger, convenient shorthand though it sometimes is!<br /> (Is my LHT an mtb, a tourer, a utility bike? It has 26" mtb wheels and mtb transmission, but then it has schwalbe marathons and drop bars, but otoh it has full racks and mudguards, bell, horn light etc for utility...)</p> <p>I believe the pacer is ok for mudguards and moderate tyre widths, though shouldn't be a problem as it's 23's I've got :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84575 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:47:53 +0000 crowriver 84575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How's the Pacer for mudguard/less than skinny tyre clearance?</p> <p>Such a blurry line between 'light tourer' and 'steel framed road bike'.....seems to be mostly about clearances and braze-ons. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84559 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:00:17 +0000 Smudge 84559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup I'd been looking at the shiny red then when I made enquiries found it's not available and only the copper seems available now (unless you buy a complete bike of course :-&lt; grrr )<br /> As I don't have any flared lycra I wont be buying BL bronze and it would seem perverse to buy a new frame to then immediately respray it!</p> <p>So far the Pacer is looking closest to what I want :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84555 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:13:43 +0000 Uberuce 84555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I assume you've been trawling for last year's handsome red Equilibrium frames?</p> <p>If that was a bust, get the copper and promise yourself you'll only look at it wearing coloured shades. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84553 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:49:30 +0000 Smudge 84553@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Thorn is indeed lovely, but really it's a light tourer whereas I'm more looking for a comfy road bike, steel frame road bike which will take mudguards if you will :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84547 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:12:26 +0000 Uberuce 84547@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Half the reason I put gears on black fruity was that it had turned out to be suboptimal for fixed gear conversion. It did turn out to be ideal for throwing an 8-speed on and having something to tide me over.</p> <p>Stop tempting the man with frames that are onnnnly £100 over budget, you cruel cruel people.</p> <p>Nelly: had a shot on the DayOne Disc as a size-test for the Croix. Wee blue floofy in drops rides pretty darn nicely, which isn't a shock, but those BB-7 anchors make me jealous. Well, made me jealous, until I ordered the Croix. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84546 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:11:11 +0000 Instography 84546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That Thorn looks lovely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84544 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:43:41 +0000 crowriver 84544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/thorn-audax-frames-dept432/">Thorn Audax frame and forks is £499</a> (Thorn 858 double butted seamless cro-mo). They sometimes have ex-demo ones for less. They also come up occasionally on fleaBay with light use. Or try the YACF or CTC forums classifieds sections.</p> <p>Dawes Audax frameset (631, carbon forks) about £100 more: take your pick. </p> <p>If you fancy pushing the boat out, Spa Cycles do a <a href="http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s143p2371">titanium Audax frame with carbon forks</a> for £850. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84483 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:31:14 +0000 Nelly 84483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smudge, cant disagree about that colour - its bogging.</p> <p>I searched for 3 months to get a 2011 Day01 SS in Scuba Yellow, as the current colour is Cherry Red - yuk.</p> <p>£200 off as well, as it is 'so last year'.</p> <p>If you have your heart set on something, give yourself a couple of months - you never know what turns up.</p> <p>p.s. Uberuce - just caught up with your thread - CdF now as well? Soooooooo jealous!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84481 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:21:08 +0000 Smudge 84481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lol, true, true!</p> <p>Kaff needs cantis or disc so is probably out :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84477 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:46:05 +0000 steveo 84477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Although you did specify stylish.... :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84475 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:28:08 +0000 Smudge 84475@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@insto, the lht is for watching the scenery drift by, this is the need for (relative) speed ;-)<br /> Will have to have a look at the kaffenbacks... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84470 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:16:53 +0000 Instography 84470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Planet X Kaffenback at <a href="http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FRPXKV2/planet_x_kaffenback_swap_out_frame">£139</a></p> <p>Planet X Uncle John at <a href="http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FRPXUJV2/planet_x_uncle_john_cyclocross_frame">£175</a></p> <p>plus forks.</p> <p>EDIT: except Uncle John is aluminium. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84468 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:12:54 +0000 Instography 84468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, if you've already got one ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84464 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:53:42 +0000 Smudge 84464@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Sallyhinch difficulty is finding a good quality frame which will both fit me and accept modern components (My intent is to swap the whole 105 groupset onto a new frame)<br /> There are far far too many bog standard frames currently way overpriced as "ideal for fixie conversion" from what I've seen looking round recently :-( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84462 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:48:53 +0000 sallyhinch 84462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>if it's just steel (and looks) you want, why not go for a vintage bike? 80s/90s frames are often Reynolds AND lugged and steel lasts practically forever so there are a fair few around. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84461 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:41:58 +0000 Smudge 84461@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Insto, my LHT is built for all terrain utility (26" wheels and full luggage) and I reckon it's about 3 to 5mph slower than my Giant, I'd like to keep the speed of the roadbike but add a little comfort (and looks!)</p> <p>@Steveo, up to about 400, but don't tell Mrs Smudge or I'll have to hunt you down after I get out of hospital ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84457 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:36:08 +0000 steveo 84457@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just what is your budget, I'm quite sure we can spend it between us... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84456 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:36:05 +0000 Uberuce 84456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>*whispers* Smudge has got one already.</p> <p>I couldn't find anything that competed with the Equilibrium on price. The next bikes with the steel and looks that matched were the Soma and Dawes Audax frames, which were a coupla hundred quid dearer. </p> <p>If my black bike was actually mine, I'd give you first refusal since it's going to be mothballed soon. Nothing fancy about 501 steel at all, but it'd be free, so... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84453 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:32:13 +0000 Instography 84453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the balance between longish distance pleasure rides and audax? If the main use is longish distance pleasure rides with only the odd audax, maybe a Long Haul Trucker would be a good option for long distance pleasure. I find mine exceptionally comfortable but still capable of a bit of speed if that's what I decide it's doing today. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84449 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:20:43 +0000 DaveC 84449@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You could go for the budget Carbon from Planet Ox?</p> <p>Or Cotic does a Cyclocross frame and forks. This would allow disks in the future is you so desired? Its steel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8431#post-84447 Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:10:16 +0000 Smudge 84447@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok, I blame Uberuce ( ;-) ) but here goes...</p> <p>I have an old Giant OCR which has been upgraded with bling wheels, 105 groupset etc etc, it remains however a bottom of the range frame and it's quite harsh. For what I do with it (the odd audax and longish distance pleasure rides) a couple of grammes saved using alloy doesn't justify the reduced comfort of a stiff alloy.</p> <p>Now I've been looking lustfully at steel frames, particularly at the Surly Pacer and the Genesis Equilibrium. They are similar(ish) money, the Genesis probably slightly more bling.<br /> Unfortunately the Genesis as a frameset is only available in 70's orange, sorry, "copper" and I think 1, it would look ugly with black componentry and 2, it's a fashionable colour not a stylish colour (ie. I think it's getting dated already and it's only just been released!)<br /> The Genesis however has actual Reynolds tubes as opposed to "4130 steel", (does this matter on a framest built in Tiawan?)</p> <p>Hmmm, help! Which frameset, or is there a better option?!? :-s </p>