http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Hundreds fined as police launch crackdown on pavement cyclists" - Manchester en Mon, 18 May 2026 16:46:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85374 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:15:19 +0000 Cycle PC 85374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>If you wish to contact the police for any non-emergency, you can phone 0131 311 3131, which will put you through to the Force Communication Centre, who will deal with your call.</p> <p>Full contact details are found here: -</p> <p><a href="http://www.lbp.police.uk/contact_us.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.lbp.police.uk/contact_us.aspx</a></p> <p>Hope this is useful,</p> <p>Paul </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85284 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:51:49 +0000 Nelly 85284@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tulyar, Craiglockhart avenue a good case in point - so many cars mounted the pavement in the morning rush hour that the council had no choice but to erect barriers with reflective tape - simply to protect people walking up past the old Land Rover garage from impatient drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85283 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:47:20 +0000 fimm 85283@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cycle PC, thank you for the clarification, but how would one go about reporting such a thing? Dialling 999 would be a bit excessive, I think... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85281 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:21:45 +0000 Instography 85281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or they could just pick them up and take them away, charging the registered keeper an appropriate fee to recover it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85278 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:09:37 +0000 Tulyar 85278@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is where the law is made to be a laughing stock, and we might be able to change this in Scotland with some powerful lobbying.</p> <p>To park in that position the car has to have been driven on the footway (pavement is an ambiguous term - it refers to any paved surface and in the US generally refers to the carriageway) riding or driving a carriage on the footway as been an offence since 1835 and the same deal applies to both cycles and motor cars, and road locomotives.... each being embraced by the term carriage in enabling legislation (cycles beating cars by 25 years IIRC).</p> <p>Thus, observing the sheer number of cars with wheels on the footway, a far greater number of drivers should be getting FPN's for using the footway than cyclists - a detail confirmed by the number of pedestrians killed and injured by cars driven on the footway.</p> <p>Now here's the rub, a parked car is not being driven on the footway and there is no driver present to charge with the offence, so although everyone knows the offence has to have been committed (the cars don't simply bounce up onto the footway), so the Police don't prosecute - unless they go for obstruction - preventing 'traffic' ie traffic proceeding on foot, from passing along the footway.</p> <p>Yet prosecutions of the registered keeper of the car can take place if a photograph of the vehicle, is taken - going past a red traffic signal, exceeding the speed limit, using a road over which that vehicle is not permitted to travel, and even used to affirm obstruction and parking offences, and the registered keeper is obliged to provide details of the driver, or take the hit themselves. yet this same logic cannot be applied to a motor vehicle parked with 2 or more wheels on the footway. It shouldn't take much to amend legislation surely - to make a photograph of a vehicle with its wheels on a footway enough to use the existing law effectively.</p> <p>Plus of course it would be great to get a real figure for car drivers committing the offence for which cyclists are so often pilloried.</p> <p>Anyway the driver should still be getting as parking ticket for parking on a single yellow line, as 2 wheels are on the road at that point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85274 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:17:34 +0000 Cycle PC 85274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>Parking on the pavement, as far as the police are concerned, is an issue of obstruction. ie it's not an offence to park on pavement, but is an offence to cause an obstruction to another roaad user (which includes pedestrians).</p> <p>Did you report this incident? By the looks of the photograph, there is minimal space available on the pavement, as you say. This would be classified as an obstruction and Police Officers / Traffic Support Wardens would have been able to take action. </p> <p>Hope this helps.</p> <p>Paul </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85166 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:46:06 +0000 Nelly 85166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Insto, Oooooo, have not indulged in that kind of behaviour since majorca 2001, but sounds satisfying !! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85165 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:35:47 +0000 Instography 85165@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seeing as it's a hire car (the small eurohire badge and the bottom right of the tailgate) it would be OK to just walk right over the top of it, kicking the windows in as you go. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85159 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:46:52 +0000 chdot 85159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Think that is technically a parking warden rather than police issue - though you'd hope they'd have said something if they'd seen it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85157 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:39:05 +0000 Firedog 85157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would be nice if the police took a similar approach to pavement drivers, especially when they park like this. I found this car (FX6I WLW), parked right across what passes for a pavement on Saughton Road North this morning at 8:35, 200 yards from the local school. It forced schoolchildren and parents with buggies walking to school right out into the flow of oncoming traffic.<img src="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/480167/A3OL6TLCMAAFe80.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85060 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:02:24 +0000 Instography 85060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Proud to pound the pavement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85059 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:49:24 +0000 Cyclingmollie 85059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This thread's very funny if you read pavement cycling as a euphemism for anal sex. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85058 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:09:17 +0000 Snowy 85058@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are we still talking about cycling? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85056 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:44:09 +0000 Instography 85056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's extra. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85055 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:27:42 +0000 PS 85055@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Relaxing my grip on the handlebars makes me want to have a firm point of contact at my rear. :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85054 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:44:32 +0000 Peterward2008 85054@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Next time I have this misfortune... I will stand up and see how that works.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85053 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:38:05 +0000 Instography 85053@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tend to come out of the saddle and relax my grip on the bars in the hope that the bike bounces through them, pivotting around my feet rather than crashing through them getting pinch flats. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85052 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:31:02 +0000 Peterward2008 85052@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I come out of the saddle for potholes. Cobbles I tend to avoid or sit down on and get wobbly arms and legs after. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85048 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:26:23 +0000 crowriver 85048@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I come out of the saddle if there are cobbles, bumpy bits, etc. I'm not racing Paris-Roubaix so I'd rather have the suspension of my knees than gain a few extra seconds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85041 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:38:42 +0000 Uberuce 85041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, there you go. Horses for strokes and saucy owns - any time the surfaces is uncertain I rise out the saddle. Just feels like my legs can't tell the bike what to do when I'm sitting down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85033 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:45:52 +0000 PS 85033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo <em>"Found 32mm tyres on sit up easier over cobbles easier than 28mm on tourer, maybe on super skinny you stand up out of the saddle?"</em></p> <p>No - stay seated and power over them. Getting out of the saddle on cobbles can be pretty hairy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85006 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:11:35 +0000 Peterward2008 85006@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cycle my road bike and commute on it to work. Mainly in and around North Edinburgh with its newly resurfaced cycle route. Agree some of the potholes, cobbles etc are bad for bikes (bad for cars and buses also) but its the only bike I have for reasons pretty similar to Fimm. I also like to use it at weekends to do longer rides. Though I am using 25s not 23s so that perhaps precludes me from the too skinny wheel club. </p> <p>As for pavement cycling. With kids is ok by me and in extremis to avoid danger/injury too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-85003 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:56:52 +0000 recombodna 85003@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair Thirlestane road's setts are some of the worst in town even on a mountian bike. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84997 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:31:05 +0000 fimm 84997@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually Mallorca is a popular destination for cyclists - roadies on early season training trips... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84995 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:54:37 +0000 cc 84995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's human nature to take the course that appears to be (1) safer and (2) easier, more direct. The smart thing is therefore to arrange the roads (paths, whatever) so that cycling looks and is safe, and so that it's more direct and quick to cycle than to drive.</p> <p>Again, this is perfectly doable because they've already been doing it for decades in the Netherlands, with fantastic results. You just have to have authorities who care about the health of the people, the prosperity of the town, the levels of exhaust emissions, noise levels, and all the rest of it. And perhaps who are capable of logical thought and of looking beyond their own country's borders.</p> <p>Maybe if Majorca or Tenerife was a cycling paradise we'd see plenty of fact-finding trips and better road infrastructure :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84979 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:10:57 +0000 mgj 84979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>badly, at great cost, like when they relaid the setts </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84972 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:18:46 +0000 cb 84972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Council solution would be to put cobbles on the pavement. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84971 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:12:51 +0000 mgj 84971@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not being snobby about their choice of bike, just pointing out that it seems to (self) limit their ability to cycle on the road. I was in the gym this morning at Warrender and in a half hour saw six bikes whizzing along, 50/50 MTB/racer.</p> <p>To be honest, they can ride what they like, as long as they keep off the pavement </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84962 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:12:43 +0000 cb 84962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"When I see an adult on a bicycle I do not despair for the future of the human race."</p> <p>H.G. Wells</p> <p>Anyone know when he said it and his reasons for not despairing? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8453&page=2#post-84958 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:52:35 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 84958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>No matter what you ride... As long as you do...</em>"</p> <p>Though I have to admit, whenever anyone asks for my advice on buying a new bike I steer them away from cheap full-suspension machines ("<em>Yes, it would be really really comfortable over the cobbles. You'll also arrive anywhere you're going twice as knackered, trust me. No I know the man in JJB Sports said it had Shimano gears.</em>" - I remember my other half getting her mountain bike, and finding the difference on changing to slick tyres absolutely unbelievable - should continue that progression with a 700c bike sometime soon, though with something like 35s on there).</p> <p>I digress. As someone once said something along the lines of, "I do not despair every time I see a human being on a bike". Although back to the OP, I still really don't like pavement cycling. </p>