http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Andrew Mitchell under mounting pressure in 'police insult' row en Mon, 18 May 2026 16:09:06 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173972 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 15:24:50 +0000 The Boy 173972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps take that up with the party which was suing (maliciously) for libel?</p> <p>Or, to put it another way, if it could have been solved by an apology it would have been. Mitchell's arrogance saw otherwise. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173971 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:22:26 +0000 Rosie 173971@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This whole Andrew Mitchell thing is ridiculously trivial and one of the policemen involved said it had been ramped up by the Police Federation. It should have been settled by an apology or two. The policeman called it a "nonsense incident".</p> <p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/28/plebgate-nonsense-andrew-mitchell-police-officer" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/28/plebgate-nonsense-andrew-mitchell-police-officer</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173874 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:25:51 +0000 Ed1 173874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair its always anoying when some pleb from the council expects you to dismount -) , like when cycling on the edinburgh park cycle lane to to Roseburn.</p> <p>They need some sort of cycle lane for downstreet to avoid complications -).</p> <p>The Scottish government Victoria Quay has a cycle lane I use it for going to ocean terminal from the shore. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173871 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:11:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 173871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Eric Pickles on a bike.</em></p> <p>It might start out upright, but it would finish recumbent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173868 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:48:12 +0000 PS 173868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IIRC he didn't just call it "bicyclism" but something along the liens of "Cameronian bicyclism", laying bare fundamental ideological splits in the Conservative party.</p> <p>The same chap also said something along the lines of "You wouldn't catch the likes of Eric Pickles on a bike for that very reason", to which I thought "yes, it shows" and then "the inference to be taken from that is that without his ministerial limo cocoon, Pickles would be constantly calling all and sundry plebs and such and such...", which is also a credible scenario. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173863 Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:30:04 +0000 I were right about that saddle 173863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another gem on R4's Today programme this morning - the guy explaining that Westminster limos were introduced exactly to avoid contact between ministers and plebs.</p> <p>He also referred to 'bicyclism' unless I was hallucinating. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-173801 Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:15:30 +0000 chdot 173801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/pleb-andrew-mitchell-loses-libel-case" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/pleb-andrew-mitchell-loses-libel-case</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=3#post-109029 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:00:23 +0000 Baldcyclist 109029@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you have a spare £1000, <a href="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Andrew-Mitchells-Reflex-Westminster-Bike-in-aid-of-Nyumbani-UK-/230970160684?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&amp;hash=item35c6e4f62c%29">http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Andrew-Mitchells-Reflex-Westminster-Bike-in-aid-of-Nyumbani-UK-/230970160684?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&amp;hash=item35c6e4f62c%29</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-106264 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:18:15 +0000 Charterhall 106264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The Times and the Guardian reported that the police files sent to the Crown Prosecution Service contained "no evidence" that Downing Street police officers lied about their account of the incident.</em></p> <p>Well they wouldn't, would they ? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-106259 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 23:06:27 +0000 chdot 106259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/28/lebgate-file-contains-no-evidence-that-police-lied" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/28/lebgate-file-contains-no-evidence-that-police-lied</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21969990" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21969990</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94843 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:21:54 +0000 chdot 94843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick) tweeted at 2:08pm - 19 Dec 12: </p> <p>Downing St policeman to a TV colleague today: "Strange that, every cameraman who's been in this morning says they don't work for Channel 4." </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/281400654658945024" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/281400654658945024</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94832 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:07:30 +0000 Dave 94832@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bottom line to all of this? If your occupation puts you at any vulnerability to the public eye whatsover, a £50 investment in a headcam might be wise. </p> <p>He could have hung the Met by the neck nicely, letting them say whatever they had concocted then publishing the footage... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94826 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:31:34 +0000 Baldcyclist 94826@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, CCTV is time coded.</p> <p>The Ch4 link chdot posted earlier is what was shown on Ch 4 News last night I beleive, and well worth a watch.</p> <p>The journalist involved seems to be getting lots of plaudits today for a great piece of investigative journalism, and a lot of envious stares too probably. I can just see Nick Robinson pulling the last of his hair out today. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94822 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:55:27 +0000 DaveC 94822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've not seen the cctv, it either been taken down or was swapped with hits? Is it date and time stamped?</p> <p>My earlier comment was from what I saw on the news lastnight. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94818 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:35:32 +0000 chdot 94818@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Funny that none of that stuff has appeared on YouTube"</p> <p>Indeed. </p> <p>Even stranger that CCTV didn't become public sooner. </p> <p>Definitely in the realms of 'you couldn't make it up' - except of course the bits that seem to have been... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94815 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:27:30 +0000 Baldcyclist 94815@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>THe Police log also said there were witnesses outside the gates taking stills, and video recording the exchange.</p> <p>Funny that none of that stuff has appeared on YouTube, I would have thought that would appeared within hours in this day and age? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94808 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:20:14 +0000 Min 94808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Yet the news said the two officers on the gate are sticking to their initial recorded report or what took place. This other officer appears to be overly keen on defending their collegues by fabricating something.</em></p> <p>Then why did the police log also record all these crowds of invisible witnesses? I think Baldcyclists summary, er sums it up pretty well. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94807 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:17:41 +0000 DaveC 94807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Min said "<em>It turns out that the supposed witness, who is also a police officer, is a big fat liar as they were nowhere near Downing Street at the time and the CCTV corroborates this</em>".</p> <p>Yet the news said the two officers on the gate are sticking to their initial recorded report or what took place. This other officer appears to be overly keen on defending their collegues by fabricating something. Shame really as the original story appears to remain true but the fact that someone else wrongly tried to back officers up by not telling the truth may derail the whole thing.</p> <p>I think its a little over the top to demand an enquiry on this when, last week the news that a Gov't agency colaborated with loyalist terrorists over the murder of Pat Finucane, which wasn't given a public enquiry but, only resulted in it investigated by a senior lawyer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94806 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:11:10 +0000 Baldcyclist 94806@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the real story here is that there appears to have been another media/police conspiracy which has happened right under the nose of Leveson so to speaka.</p> <p>The evidence Channel 4 uncovered was:<br /> 1. CCTV footage uncovers questions over what was actually said, body language of those involved, timing etc all wrong.<br /> 2. Witness who sent email to say he saw incident with his nephew was lying, and has admitted he never saw it. He is incidentally a serving Police officer.<br /> 3. Police log is false, says there is lots of witnesses outside the gate, CCTV shows empty street.<br /> 4. A M subsequently recorded a meeting he had with the Police. Police gave a different account of that meeting immediately after it happened to press and said A M's position was untenable. The Police representative looked very uncomfortable when interviewed by Ch4</p> <p>Essentially he has been had, no two ways about it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94805 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:07:47 +0000 chdot 94805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good bit of journalism/telly by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crick" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crick</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-police-cctv-downing-street" rel="nofollow">http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-police-cctv-downing-street</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94802 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:01:15 +0000 Min 94802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It turns out that the supposed witness, who is also a police officer, is a big fat liar as they were nowhere near Downing Street at the time and the CCTV corroborates this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94801 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:56:09 +0000 kaputnik 94801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm confused. Are they saying that Mitchell didn't call the Police "plebs" or that he did, but the person who claims to have overheard him do so didn't?</p> <p>Whichever way it lands, a lot of people <em>wanted </em>to believe it was true. And did. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94800 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:50:01 +0000 Min 94800@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20780584">Here is the story</a>.</p> <p>I am unsurprised! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-94771 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:28:35 +0000 Baldcyclist 94771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It appears from CCTV images released by Downing St, and the fact that the 'witness' who it turns out is actually a serving police officer, who has now admitted that himself and his nephew weren't even there, that Andrew Mitchell was indeed telling the truth..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-89678 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:18:26 +0000 chdot 89678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8147706589/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8474/8147706589_9c9efe619a.jpg"></a></p> <p>From PE (not PY) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-88269 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:36:12 +0000 wee folding bike 88269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saville's bikes were auctioned last month. I'm thinking their value might have dropped somewhat. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-88268 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:23:43 +0000 Cyclingmollie 88268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Might as well complete the set:</p> <p><img src="http://getfile9.posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/temp-2010-08-01/ywFjJzgoHlywnAEmIIAEngzjmhlcIIpGcCujbvrqqhmHswDDCttaHfhlsnbw/YoungPersonsRailcard.jpg.scaled1000.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-88267 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:19:55 +0000 wee folding bike 88267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ohhhh dear. </p> <p>This is like being on QI and knowing that Stephen Fry wants you to say the word that sets off the klaxon. You just had to mention Jimmy Saville and kids, didn't you? I'm not going to do it, I'm not, I'm not I'm not.</p> <p>So there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-88266 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:38:48 +0000 chdot 88266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>New Chief Whip is even more well known as a cyclist! </p> <p>('Proper' posh too - "Young was born in Oxford in 1941, the first son of Sir George Peregrine "Gerry" Young, 5th Baronet, and Elizabeth Knatchbull-Hugessen.") Unlikely to swear at police.</p> <p>"<br /> In 1982, Young and his children appeared on a British Rail poster alongside Jimmy Savile[3][4] to promote new measures to allow people to take their bicycles on trains more easily. Young had made a critical speech in parliament about the provisions for cyclists to take their bikes on trains, and when British Rail implemented new measures they invited Young to appear on the publicity poster. His enthusiasm for cycling has earned Young the nickname of the "Bicycling Baronet"</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Young,_6th_Baronet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Young,_6th_Baronet</a></p> <p><img src="http://p.twimg.com/A5m3L2QCQAAXQqZ.jpg"></p> <p><img src="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00347/1217353_biker_347732c.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8488&page=2#post-88250 Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:32:17 +0000 gembo 88250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw clip on HIGNFY last night with jimmy Carr serving coffee in Starbucks. Younger but with much Kohl around the eyes. Apparently Costa do pay tax. imagine PY pay tax too. So boycott Starbucks, amazon and google, oh err....I shall resign.</p> <p>Jim Murphy took over from me as a barman in The Doublet Bar, Kelvinbridge, Glasgow. I marvel at his career trajectory. I note he has been to talking quietly classes. </p>