http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Most road accidents 'driver's fault' " en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 01:28:31 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8536#post-86015 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:34:18 +0000 slowcoach 86015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Officially they <u>are</u> accidents: "The Reported Road Casualties in Great Britain (RRCGB) Annual Report presents detailed statistics ... about the circumstances of personal injury accidents ..." <a href="http://assets.dft.gov.uk/statistics/releases/road-accidents-and-safety-annual-report-2011/rrcgb2011-00.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://assets.dft.gov.uk/statistics/releases/road-accidents-and-safety-annual-report-2011/rrcgb2011-00.pdf</a></p> <p>Not all road collisions are accidents - some are deliberate acts eg confirmed suicides are not included in road accident data. Deliberate assaults with a vehicle would not be an accident.</p> <p>Chambers Dictionary, for example, doesn't define accidents as blameless:<br /> "accident noun 1 an unexpected event which causes damage or harm. 2 something which happens without planning or intention; chance".</p> <p>But even though an accidental injury wasn't caused intentionally, there can still be fault in the actions leading up to the accident. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8536#post-85998 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:51:57 +0000 Instography 85998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a bit dumbed. But DfT are themselves very wary of the data on causes so don't use terms like fault or blame. I don't know why the BBC have written 'drivers' fault' in inverted commas like it's a quote because that term doesn't appear in the data release. DfT talks about 'contributory factors' quite deliberately and advise caution in interpreting the data. They say:</p> <p>"Contributory factors are designed to give the key actions and failures that led directly to the actual impact to aid investigation of how accidents might be prevented. The factors are largely subjective, reflecting the opinion of the reporting police officer, and are not necessarily the result of extensive investigation. Some factors are less likely to be recorded since evidence may not be available after the event. While this information is valuable in helping to identify ways of improving safety, care should be taken in its interpretation."</p> <p>So, they don't make the jump that because an officer notes that someone was wearing dark clothes at night that they were to blame but it is noted as contributory. Also, officially, they are not accidents. Accidents are blameless by definition. They talk of collisions and incidents. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8536#post-85989 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:33:53 +0000 Min 85989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very strangely worded article. I can't figure out what is supposed to be meant by it. Of course most collisions are going to be <em>someones</em> fault. :-/ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8536#post-85973 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:43:42 +0000 chdot 85973@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cyclist safety has been a huge issue recently, especially since the Times newspaper launched its campaign to improve conditions for pedal bikes on the roads, but it was actually pedestrians who suffered the biggest rise in deaths last year, up 12% to 453.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19746515" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19746515</a> </p>