http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cycling Scotland Conference 2012 en Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:34:05 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-91008 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:55:01 +0000 PS 91008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the integrated ticketing idea is the long term goal (still 5 or 6 years off at least, I'd guess). </p> <p>Presumably she's referring to the fact that tram connects the airport to the train network (in a fixed track on the ground way, as opposed to the rubber wheeled omnibus-manner). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-91005 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:56:39 +0000 LaidBack 91005@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lesley Hinds says it's part of a new integrated system... Keith Brown's party was dead against once.</p> <p>Is integrated reference the Scottish Oyster card idea? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90985 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:14:45 +0000 chdot 90985@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Alison Johnstone (@AlisonJohnstone)<br /> 14/11/2012 16:08<br /> My thoughts on yesterday's @CyclingScotland conference: </p> <p><a href="http://www.alisonjohnstonemsp.com/?p=169" rel="nofollow">http://www.alisonjohnstonemsp.com/?p=169</a> @POPScotland @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90969 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:08:05 +0000 chdot 90969@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And today -</p> <p>Brown and Hinds at the airport to see the tram stop. </p> <p><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-trams-project-making-good-1435561" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-trams-project-making-good-1435561</a></p> <p>That's <em>proper</em> transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90950 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:13:55 +0000 crowriver 90950@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>From my experience of conferences, Ministers' attendance tends to be restricted to: turn up 5 minutes before they are due to make their speech, make the speech, apologise at the end for not being able to stay any longer to partake in informal discussions, then get the hell out of there tout suite...</em></p> <p>Yes but KB wasn't even doing the speeches in Glasgow, it was his boss, Nicola Sturgeon. According to reports KB was busy glad-handing various regional politicians and lobbyists from England. All the better to stick a 'V' up to the Westminster coalition, no doubt.</p> <p>Posturing and being seen to 'take a lead' on something which will (probably) never happen so much more enjoyable than actually having to deal with real issues and take decisions in the here and now. Eh, Keith? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90948 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:02:57 +0000 chdot 90948@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"apologise at the end for not being able to stay any longer"</p> <p>True.</p> <p>Wonder how long KB stayed at HS Conf. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90944 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:54:21 +0000 chdot 90944@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Edinburgh certainly isn't unused to turning the city upside down for events and big projects"</p> <p>Can't say I've noticed...</p> <p>Whatever you think of 'the trams', CEC has <strong>completely</strong> failed to take advantage of the shambletunity to <em>promote</em> walking and cycling. </p> <p>Of course that would mean adding some encouraging infrastructure (especially proper temporary signed routes).</p> <p>It's cheaper just to put signs saying 'city centre isn't really shut - we know its a complete shambles but it'll be fine again one day for all you hard pressed motorists, so please don't bother trying to cycle in case you like it and demand better infrastructure'.</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8176179616/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8197/8176179616_da2f1de48b.jpg"></a></p> <p>Yes that really is tram legacy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90941 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:49:08 +0000 PS 90941@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From my experience of conferences, Ministers' attendance tends to be restricted to: turn up 5 minutes before they are due to make their speech, make the speech, apologise at the end for not being able to stay any longer to partake in informal discussions, then get the hell out of there tout suite... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90938 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:40:37 +0000 LaidBack 90938@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Events I feel will overtake the lack of leadership being shown by the politicians both local and national.</p> <p>• Many streets will fail the air quality tests coming up so closures and re-routing of traffic away to edge of town is likely. Of course this in many instances will just displace pollution - bit like electric cars and trucks (remember them?)</p> <p>• Younger generation are more likely to pavement cycle so 'desire lines' may well be legitimised - nice and cheap fudge that will take heat off real infrastructure. I'd like to say that bike training means more kids on the roads 'safe and solo ' but it also means more on pavements.</p> <p>• HS2 is another chess piece being used in the pre-2014 run up. Q. Why can't we have incremental improvements on what we have? A. Pie in the sky is cheaper / better PR. This forum has already provided many 'shovel-ready' suggestions. Edinburgh certainly isn't unused to turning the city upside down for events and big projects. </p> <p>• Health... odd that this comes up and as Jim Lauder said on RS this morning the cost savings of getting people active outweigh all other costs. 0.85% of transport budget should be increased massively and combined with a health part at least equal to (say) Methadone supplies or car parking round health centres (lot of tar there for going nowhere).</p> <p>STOP PRESS<br /> • Cities should be treated like a large home zone so activity is safe in the centre in my view. 20 mph limit is key. That way we'll get fewer people racing between red lights at above 30mph.</p> <p>BUT...<br /> John Beattie on RS lunchtime news just suggested that cheap car parking is a good way to get shops through another festive retail downturn. (assume he is talking from personal experience). We really are living in the 1950s<br /> Depressing when presenters voice 'helpful' suggestions as if they are 'the norm'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90929 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:07:51 +0000 crowriver 90929@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Life's all about choices. </p> <p>Scot Gov shows 'leadership' on HS2 by organising a summit in Glasgow. Much posturing, lofty ideals, talk of economic benefit and la-la land budgets.</p> <p>Meanwhile, dragging feet on active travel and dumping responsibility on local government.</p> <p>No reason why Minister Brown could not have split his time and spent half a day at both the Glasgow summit and the Edinburgh conference. Less than an hour by train between the two. He chose to be in Glasgow, which is effectively a snub to cycling and active travel.</p> <p>Not surprising, but one more disappointment. Political signals are very discouraging for investment in active travel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90922 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:07:28 +0000 chdot 90922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He is not the first Transport Minister to appear at a CS conference pre-recorded. </p> <p>Ministers are busy and can't be in two places at once. </p> <p>The fact that he preferred to be at a conference talking about 'proper' transport is understandable. The fact that this would involve spending fantastical sums of money is of course the political norm. </p> <p>The High Speed Rail Please Let It Come North Of Manchester Conference was of course prefaced on Monday by '<a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7455&amp;replies=30#post-90720">plans' to spend money that doesn't exist on a project that really is of questionable value</a>. </p> <p>Perhaps one of the CS conference speakers can speak to one of his close colleagues about the economic, social and health benefits of investing in cycle infrastructure. </p> <p>Conference biog -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Jim Eadie has been the MSP for Edinburgh Southern since May 2011. He is a former member of the Health and Sport Committee; a member of the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee and a member of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. He is the Political Liaison Officer to The Cabinet Secretary for Infrastructure, Investment and Cities, Nicola Sturgeon MSP. In addition he is, the Co-convenor of the Cross Party Group (CPG) on Cycling and Co-convenor on the CPG on Health Inequalities and Convenor of the Cross Party Group on Life Sciences.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90917 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:42:41 +0000 crowriver 90917@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks chdot, this one spoke volumes!</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8181941260/" title="Pre-recorded - minister at High Speed Rail Conf! by chdot, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8203/8181941260_e837fac9b0_n.jpg" alt="Pre-recorded - minister at High Speed Rail Conf!" /></a></p> <p>"Cycling? Nowt to do wi' me!" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540&page=2#post-90901 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:01:21 +0000 fimm 90901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It's the Spokes autumn count that morning...</em></p> <p>A triathlon clubmate of mine remarked that "there was someone counting <em>bicycles</em> on Lothian Road this morning", I think as an example of the "Bradley Wiggins effect" and the general increase in number of people cycling... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90886 Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:06:45 +0000 chdot 90886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some pictures</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/sets/72157632001815591/detail" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/sets/72157632001815591/detail</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90854 Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:31:43 +0000 SRD 90854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A number of people tweeting<a href="https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23scotsgodutch"> here</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90827 Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:47:08 +0000 crowriver 90827@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Dutch experts offer Scots cycling safety advice</p> <p>Transport experts from the Netherlands and Scotland are meeting in Edinburgh to discuss ways of improving cycling safety. Dutch politicians and planners say traffic has to be slowed and cut in cities or separate lanes created to encourage more people onto bikes.</p> <p>The Scottish government has set a target of getting 10% of journeys made by bike by 2020. Transport Minister Keith Brown will give a speech on progress made.</p> <p>The number of cyclists injured on Scotland's roads is rising.</em></p> <p>Continues at:</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-20302932" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-20302932</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90791 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:46:13 +0000 chdot 90791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8180287395/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8180287395_16a66f59e8.jpg"></a></p> <p><a href="http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/to/55.945923,-3.22257/Cucina" rel="nofollow">http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/to/55.945923,-3.22257/Cucina</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90770 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:29:28 +0000 Instography 90770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw temporary racks being installed as I passed this evening. Children permitting, I'lll try to get to Cucina for coffee and breakfast some time close to 8.30am. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-90600 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 12:23:06 +0000 chdot 90600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cycling Scotland (@CyclingScotland)<br /> 09/11/2012 12:23<br /> #GoDutchConf Tuesday 13th Nov, Edinburgh as #scotsgodutch Follow all live updates via #scotsgodutch @CyclingScotland</p> <p>"</p> <p>Seems strange having two #!</p> <p>Update - #GoDutchConf is for Manchester one too - extra confusing! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89278 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:15:07 +0000 Roibeard 89278@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's the Spokes autumn count that morning...</p> <p>I'm not sure if that means that attendees should travel along, or should avoid, Forrest Road and Lothian Road!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89273 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:44:41 +0000 crowriver 89273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be fair, it's probably more important that council cycling officers, planning folk, road design teams, councillors, Transport Scotland officials attend. I guess the CCE folk who are going are mainly 'known' campaigners/lobbyists or work in transport/roads/sustainability? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89269 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:29:13 +0000 DaveC 89269@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I received no email so perhaps they felt that parents were not worthy of places? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89268 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:16:51 +0000 Tulyar 89268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As it is the Dutch co-hosting and there is limited exhibition space, expect that there will be mainly Dutch exhibitors, but there are likely to be Falco 2-tier racks on display and for use.</p> <p>Unlikely to see other manufacturers (shame) as Jan Kuipers make a neat on street residential parking unit, widely used in NL and have the contract to supply NS/Pro-Rail with lockers and stands.</p> <p>The other manufacturer is Velopa who make the Tulip stand</p> <p>Abellio Bike (UK version of OV-Fiets) may have a presence </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89250 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:36:44 +0000 sallyhinch 89250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The London one had a nice Dutch station-style two-tier rack temporarily installed. Also a 'cyclists dismount' sign at the entrance (cars and lorries could drive right in... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89246 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:28:01 +0000 Roibeard 89246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re Bike parking - the Centre thinks they've got 6 racks, but the organisers are arranging temporary racks for the day...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89237 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:57:44 +0000 sallyhinch 89237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm going too - picked Design and CAPS as my breakout session and asked Keith Brown if the target of 10% of journeys by bike was a serious one or if it would be quietly dropped when it proved too hard...</p> <p>Given the limited places, I wonder how many actual councillors and officers and other actual implementers will be attending? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89216 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:36:48 +0000 SRD 89216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think that is the building where I was leafleting for Spokes last year. My recollection is that there is a rack of sheffield stands a little way along from the main entrance. Possibly also some railings etc. Probably a good day to take a folder if you have one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89212 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:17:15 +0000 Instography 89212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I remember I'll check out the bike parking when I pass it this evening on my way home. Ironically, I may have to get the train on the day.</p> <p>Cucina - on the stereo - Contemporary easy listening, light jazz. Nice. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89196 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:51:40 +0000 chdot 89196@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.list.co.uk/place/103072-cucina-lc" rel="nofollow">http://www.list.co.uk/place/103072-cucina-lc</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8540#post-89195 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:49:31 +0000 chdot 89195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Where's the CCE caucus having its pre-conference meeting? Peter's Yard?"</p> <p>Perhaps closer to Haymarket?</p> <p>Wonder what the bike parking will be like -</p> <p><a href="http://www.cosla.gov.uk/conference-centre/easy-get" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosla.gov.uk/conference-centre/easy-get</a> </p>