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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: My child's safety... http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: My child's safety... en Wed, 13 May 2026 04:34:27 +0000 Min on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-103689 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:31:08 +0000 Min 103689@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Good, glad you got a result in the end Roibeard. Uberuce on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-103624 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:20:08 +0000 Uberuce 103624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's some slow running red tape they've got, but the fact the cops on the ground were overruled, rightly, is heartening. chdot on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-103618 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:24:02 +0000 chdot 103618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ GREAT And the rest of L&B officers?? Roibeard on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-103617 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:11:31 +0000 Roibeard 103617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I've now had an apology - the officers have been educated on the contents of the Highway Code and guidance on safe cycling practice... Robert LaidBack on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96313 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:54:45 +0000 LaidBack 96313@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ When the city had mounted police they regularly caused a queue. But that was ok (or maybe it wasn't and that's why they were sent to Glasgow). Will the police have their own video? Or is it just LRT that has non stop cctv? shuggiet on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96300 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:56:16 +0000 shuggiet 96300@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's really disappointing Roibeard.. A thoughtful police response, given that you were obviously heading to the school, and it was in the close school vicinity, would have helpfully held the other traffic back until your safe arrival, and then given you a friendly wave, as they went on their way. Earlier in the thread, there was a mention that Cycling Scotland gave the school an award for Cycle friendliness. Maybe worth a tweet to them, and an email to the local councillors, about how the police are not supporting or encouraging safe routes to school at award winning local schools. crowriver on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96273 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:17:02 +0000 crowriver 96273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Depressing if utterly unsurprising. Normally I would only move off glacially slowly if a driver has encroached or fully occupied the ASZ: I then pointedly plonk myself right in front of them and take my time. Only occasionally do I get some road rage idiot misbehaving as a consequence.* Now I'm thinking I'm too generous and considerate to those drivers who do respect ASZs, and I ought to turn the tables, even if only for a moment, on the 'Get Out Of The Way' brigade. I think militant holding up of traffic at ASZs may be a way forward. * - In contrast, I am frequently harangued/beeped at/punishment passed by motorists waiting behind me at junctions where there is no ASZ. neddie on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96272 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:10:49 +0000 neddie 96272@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I've seen a L&BP patrol car stopped fully in the ASZ on more than one occasion. So nothing surprises me. Roibeard on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96268 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:47:28 +0000 Roibeard 96268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Wingpig - the hooting was after the lights changed, but I don't know who hooted - given their lack of awareness of the Highway Code, I wouldn't presume anything... Unfortunately I failed to have the camera running during the school run, although switched it on to capture the police collar and registration numbers. I didn't know that at the time, so when they accused us of holding up traffic the whole way up Gilmerton Road, I said the video would confirm that the two abreast, primary position was only adopted from the lights... Still, the threat of having video corroboration appeared to take the wind out of their sails a bit, and did make for easy capture of the vital numbers. Robert wingpig on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96262 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:16:22 +0000 wingpig 96262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Was the hooting after the lights changed? Presumably the polices wouldn't be the culprits of a misuse of the horn so perhaps they interpreted it as a sign of extreme distress from one of the following vehicles and decided to take action as a result. Did you have your hat-cam running? Smudge on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96261 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:14:41 +0000 Smudge 96261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Worth sticking on twitter with an @ to L&B? I'm sure it could trend quite quickly ;-) Snowy on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96259 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:05:16 +0000 Snowy 96259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Very disappointing behaviour from the police. Roibeard on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=3#post-96258 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:54:11 +0000 Roibeard 96258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @wingpig - I think it was the fact that we didn't pull in to the side, doff our helmets and let the real traffic past, once the lights changed. ASZ's are OK, only if, once moving, you don't then impede traffic. So add another pre-requisite to Magnatom's ASZ list - only to be used by fast cyclists, or cyclists that can cope with close passes, never to be used by slow, primary positioned cyclists... Robert wingpig on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96257 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:40:41 +0000 wingpig 96257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Dingbats. If they were observing the ASZ and staying behind it they ought not to be surprised or complain when someone ends up using it. Smudge on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96256 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:40:40 +0000 Smudge 96256@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ As others have said, congrats on remaining calm. Two uneducated Policemen doesn't mean they're all bad though anymore than two rlj'ing cyclists means we all do it! Hopefully a sensible complaint will result in a bit of education in primary and secondary positioning. Roibeard on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96255 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:35:46 +0000 Roibeard 96255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Min - the mounties ride two abreast too, and not even at a canter... We'll see what comes of the complaint. My prediction is nothing, or a reiteration that single file is appropriate. I concluded the complaint with an offer to let them cycle the school run for a week to see for themselves the safest approach - in plains clothes! That might avoid the +2 bubble of better behaviour with which their uniforms appear blessed... Robert Morningsider on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96254 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:30:26 +0000 Morningsider 96254@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Roibeard - your "crime" wasn't holding up the traffic. It was holding up the polis - no doubt on their way to pursue some urgent inquiries in Greggs. Very well done on maintaining such a cool head. Min on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96251 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:27:04 +0000 Min 96251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Of course anyone who has seen cycle police will have noticed how glacially slowly they move, and always two abreast of course, down the middle of the road. Okay for them to "hold up traffic". It makes me so angry. (can you tell?) Min on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96250 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:25:16 +0000 Min 96250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It just shows how much against it we really are since the police seem happy enough to hang about on the Roseburn enforcing some arbitrary "speed limit" which doesn't even exist. How typical that they then go on to enforce non-existant speed minimums on cyclists on the road. The only important thing is Traffic Flow and they are probably very quick at scraping bodies off the road to restore Traffic Flow ASAP since they get so much practise at it. kaputnik on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96247 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:19:22 +0000 kaputnik 96247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I would have been exceptionally angry in your position, Roibeard, and probably have said something in the heat of the moment that would have been regretted later. So my commendations on keeping it cool and civil and taking the relevant details to make a complaint. It's annoying when the Police won't enforce laws, and (in my personal opinion) scandalous when senior officers come out in public to say they wont (I'm thinking 20mph zones). But inventing whole new laws of their own to enforce is just taking the biscuit. I do hope it's just an isolated incident. steveo on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96242 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:06:41 +0000 steveo 96242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Morons, glad you had the presence to get their collar numbers. The one unnecessary incident I had with the police, I was accused of giving the guy a "dirty look", I forgot to get his id... Arellcat on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96241 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:04:39 +0000 Arellcat 96241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'm inclined to agree. I'm also inclined to wonder what the road layout by MiniRoibeard's school is like, and whether L&BP's finest would have reacted the same way at another location. Min on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96238 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:54:55 +0000 Min 96238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Scum. Wilmington's Cow on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96237 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:54:19 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Oh. Good. Grief. Roibeard on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-96236 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:49:06 +0000 Roibeard 96236@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ This morning, I got pulled over by L&BP. I'd pulled into the ASZ in front of them with my daughter, on the assumption that the best driver to have behind you would be the police. Yet we still got hoots (no idea if it was them!), and they followed us into the school and "had a word". My word was "no", when they advised us to adopt what amounted to a secondary, single-file position. They also told us we were holding up traffic, missing the fact completely that we were traffic! So the last stretch takes us <60 secs (~10 mph). At 30 mph it would take 20 secs (ignoring the 20mph zone, naturally). So it would appear that, in the opinion of at least one officer, cyclists delaying "traffic" for 40 seconds requires intervention. Needless to say, their collar numbers are winging their way to <a href="mailto:professionalstandards@lbp.pnn.police.uk">professionalstandards@lbp.pnn.police.uk</a> It's enough to make one militant... Robert chdot on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-87693 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:46:08 +0000 chdot 87693@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ " Multi-level examination of correlates of active transportation to school among youth living within 1 mile of their school " <a href="http://www.ijbnpa.org/content/pdf/1479-5868-9-124.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijbnpa.org/content/pdf/1479-5868-9-124.pdf</a> Instography on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-87688 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:38:30 +0000 Instography 87688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ So, in short, "dunno". chdot on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-87687 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:19:53 +0000 chdot 87687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://cyclingandscience.com/2012/10/15/school-journeys-and-child-fitness" rel="nofollow">http://cyclingandscience.com/2012/10/15/school-journeys-and-child-fitness</a> crowriver on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-87434 Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:51:39 +0000 crowriver 87434@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Most people don't walk, they dawdle. Put some effort into walking and you find that you overtake everyone else. Yes, I've always been a fast walker. Used to like hill walking as a teenager too. It's true that if you walk a bit faster, you are exercising quite well. School children are the worst at dawdling. Not my son! He's started walking to primary school on his own and he runs all the way (except when crossing roads). cycling is perceived as safer. Easier to outpace the bullies? Min on "My child's safety..." http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8622&page=2#post-87399 Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:17:58 +0000 Min 87399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The paper doesn't mention how far the children are walking or cycling. One of the odd things it DOES mention is that for teenagers, walking rates decrease and cycling rates increase as they get older and the main reason given for this is that cycling is perceived as safer.