http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Friction zones and public spaces en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 01:28:30 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87179 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:04:45 +0000 Roibeard 87179@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Inst - no offence taken on my part...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87177 Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:41:36 +0000 gembo 87177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was being silly too as I know many academics doing good work and many practitioners (myself included) who are trying to change the system from within but who on dark days get the feeling that they are the system.</p> <p>No friction resulted, how disappointing</p> <p>hownaboutthis - I don't think Marx is the author of the quote on his tombstone, ,probably Proudhon or de Tocqueville. Karl was quite adept at disguised plagiarism and self promotion </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87171 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:46:53 +0000 Instography 87171@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry, I was just being silly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87169 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:17:39 +0000 Roibeard 87169@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Inst - didn't we burn you once today already?</p> <p>&lt;shrug&gt; I can't speak for Marx, but I'm sure Jesus existed...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87167 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:30:17 +0000 SRD 87167@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>true on both counts (and i'm probably both) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87166 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:27:30 +0000 Instography 87166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah but Marx famously didn't even recognise his contemporary Marxists as Marxists. These days Marxists are to Marx what many Christians might be to Jesus (if Jesus had actually existed). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87165 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:21:56 +0000 SRD 87165@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, marx got that, but most marxists don't.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87164 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:19:01 +0000 Instography 87164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Marx's point was that philosophers think that it's enough to interpret the world not that you should change it without understanding. He reckoned he'd understood it enough (well, him and Hegel) to see that it would inevitably change itself. </p> <p>But I'm afraid I can't read stuff written in sociologese. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87163 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:11:36 +0000 crowriver 87163@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>you need to understand the world (thank you charles taylor) before <strike>being able</strike> trying to change it</em></p> <p>FTFY </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87161 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:03:48 +0000 SRD 87161@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@morningsider, if I read it right, they don't make suggestions because they;re saying nothing is wrong. instead they're suggesting that that 'frictin' is important? more gembo's territory than mine tho</p> <p>the thing too many marxists didnt get is that you need to understand the world (thank you charles taylor) before being able to change it. otherwise, you're likely to make it bad, just in a different way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87154 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 20:06:52 +0000 gembo 87154@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some people do not like any friction at all. It is nice to be nice.</p> <p>Others thrive on friction and see it as an agent for change</p> <p>For example</p> <p>If academics could implement changes in society toward the more needy then something would be done about them.</p> <p>As it says on the grave in highgate</p> <p>Philosophers have often sought to interpret the world<br /> The point however is to change it</p> <p>that's what I love about rod Stewart's dad, a revolutionary to his very soul<br /> (also buried in highgate with large but possibly less tasteful funeral statue) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87153 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:51:52 +0000 Morningsider 87153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In summary - how do you reconcile competing, sometimes incompatible, uses of public space in a democratic society?</p> <p>It's no wonder policy makers generally ignore academics when they produce stuff like this - hundreds of words describing a situation most people are aware of and no suggestion as to how it might be resolved. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8630#post-87127 Tue, 09 Oct 2012 13:43:23 +0000 SRD 87127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/andrew-byerley-jonas-bylund/friction-zones-and-emergent-publics-in-stockholm-parklife">Friction zones and emergent publics in Stockholm parklife</a></p> <p>Finding ways to deal with friction zones in public spaces such as parks is highly pertinent for both urban democracy and urban sustainability. Some friction is central to genuine democracy, whereas too little or too much is not. </p>