http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: " ‘Money-sucking’ Forth bridge claim sparks row" en Sun, 17 May 2026 13:52:54 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-128927 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:50:27 +0000 chdot 128927@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Tim Reid (@TimReidBBC)<br /> 18/10/2013 11:35<br /> Swinney pledges no tolls on the new Queensferry crossing for as long as SNP in govt #snp13</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-106871 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:42:51 +0000 chdot 106871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Didn't</p> <p><a href="http://www.dewatering.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.dewatering.co.uk</a></p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewatering" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewatering</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-106868 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 17:33:32 +0000 kaputnik 106868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"dewatering"</p> <p>They made that up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-106847 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 15:37:41 +0000 minus six 106847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Every day i pass the big sign near FRB proudly proclaimaing the advent of this <em>Forth Replacement Crossing</em>.</p> <p>And yet it replaces nothing at all for anyone non-motorised. </p> <p>its really a <em>Forth Exclusionary Crossing</em>.</p> <p>It would be great to live in a modern european country where transport policy and infrastructure is thought out in anything approaching holistic fashion. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-106814 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:11:34 +0000 chdot 106814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/forth-replacement-crossing-foundations-laid-1-2874643" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/forth-replacement-crossing-foundations-laid-1-2874643</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90114 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:20:17 +0000 crowriver 90114@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wfb, fimm. According to Sustrans:</p> <p><em>Airdrie to Bathgate railway path </p> <p>Network Rail took ownership of the old railway line in July 2008. The path between Airdrie and Bathgate closed on 19 October 2008 to allow construction of the new railway line which opened on 12 December 2010. </p> <p>The high quality replacement cycle route being built by Network Rail has been completed between Bathgate and Plains. It runs alongside the new railway in parts and uses minor roads in others.</p> <p>The section between Plains and Drumgelloch, near Airdrie, has been delayed, but is now almost complete. A shared-use pavement has been constructed between Drumgelloch and Plains, running along the north side of the A89, but is not fully signed. </em></p> <p>And:</p> <p><em>Armadale Link Path Closure</p> <p>The link path to Route 75 on the east side of Armadale at Kenbog Farm has had to be closed. A survey undertaken as part of a new development has found an open uncapped mineshaft near the path, so West Lothian Council has closed the path for the foreseeable future. An alternative alignment for the path is being sought. </em></p> <p><a href="http://www.sustrans.org.uk/sustrans-near-you/scotland/route-closures-and-diversions" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustrans.org.uk/sustrans-near-you/scotland/route-closures-and-diversions</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90113 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:16:33 +0000 TonyJ 90113@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crowriver is right in increased traffic volumes on the A904 as when the southbound slip onto the A90 from the Echline r/about is closed traffic from the east side of the Ferry wanting Edinburgh or further east has the choice of driving through the village and picking up the A90 or using the A904 to the new r/about at Echline corner &amp; then back to the A90. I understand all the pedestrian crossing points on the new r/about will be dual use &amp; be light controlled. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90096 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:37:39 +0000 fimm 90096@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Route 75 re instatement? That's the one along the Bathgate - Airdrie line, yes?<br /> "<em>looks like they didn't bother</em>" - really? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90088 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:20:15 +0000 kaputnik 90088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I take it each person trousers £1.1m in wages then? That's no bad for a few years work! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90087 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 01:11:33 +0000 ARobComp 90087@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I saw something on the news where they were talking about how this project employs NEARLY 1000 PEOPLE!!!!!<br /> At a cost of 1.1Bn. This is an absolute bargain. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90077 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:56:27 +0000 chdot 90077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was more meaning where it was/will be. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90075 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:47:10 +0000 Arellcat 90075@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"new grade separated roundabout" - if that means anything to anyone here(?)</em></p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7101">Grade separated junctions</a> discussed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90071 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:24:52 +0000 wee folding bike 90071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"new grade separated roundabout" - if that means anything to anyone here(?)<br /> </em></p> <p>It means one high up above the normal road.</p> <p>Had a Google for the route 75 reinstatement. Looks like they didn't bother. I'm not too upset, I'd rather have the trains running, but some people might be annoyed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90060 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:27:51 +0000 crowriver 90060@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, presumably the one taking the A904 across the M9/A90 spur/access road to the new bridge? West of S. Queensferry, see link to pdf above. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90059 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:20:49 +0000 chdot 90059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>CEC has commented on the detailed designs - including some new shared use footways along the B800 (linking up the existing section) and around the "new grade separated roundabout" - if that means anything to anyone here(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90055 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:59:13 +0000 crowriver 90055@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@duncans, alas this is I suspect to do wth spending money on what has been agreed. For example, there is <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/road/projects/forth-replacement-crossing/about-the-scheme/public-transport">an extensive and recently updated public transport plan for this project</a>. I've yet to find <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/strategy-and-research/publications-and-consultations/j10724c-14.htm">a single mention of plans for new cycling provision in any documents</a> relating to the Forth bridges however. </p> <p>As with the A90 path, I presume that cycling money will need to be used for any new paths in Queensferry, rather than 'their' money which is, of course for roads. I mean, why should they spend anything on active travel when they have <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/road/projects/forth-replacement-crossing/about-the-scheme/its">an exciting, 'intelligent' new toy to regulate traffic flow</a>? Only £12.9 million pounds extra: a bargain! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90045 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:35:23 +0000 duncans 90045@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver - Yes, that's what I've been trying to ask about. </p> <p>The A904 by echline could use the space from existing median strip and create a decent shared use path by road.</p> <p>Echline roundabout won't need 3 lanes. Nor would B800 need 3 lanes and a nasty pinch point at Tesco service entrance. </p> <p>The reworking of the road here presents an opportunity to convert a dangerous piece of road into something much more attractive to cycle on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90044 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:30:35 +0000 kaputnik 90044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>EDIT - delayed double posting </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90043 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:30:20 +0000 crowriver 90043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/road/projects/forth-replacement-crossing/about-the-proposals/connecting-road-network/s-q">Transport Scotland propaganda</a>, B800 and the section of A904 east of the new bridge will become traffic free havens of calm, with just the odd bus to contend with, and a bit of light local traffic. As we all know, extra road capacity rarely works like that. </p> <p>Effectively <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/files/documents/projects/forth-replacement/South_Network_-_FCBC-1-TWS-SNC-SKET90-South_Network_A1.pdf">the new junction just shifts most of the traffic further west</a>, so I can imagine the A904 going west from South Queensferry will get even worse than it is now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90041 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:01:26 +0000 kaputnik 90041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Duncans they'll do what the EGIP rail people do whenever you ask them about cycle facilities as part of that project and say "not in scope, someone elses problem". Whenever they've done one of there "what improvements would you like to see in the EGIP project", they've always replied "sorry, not in scope, someone elses problem". Even when I suggested they put some paint on the horrible galvanised steel station architectures! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90037 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:48:43 +0000 duncans 90037@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The new bridge representatives, on twitter at least, seem to be ignoring entirely reasonable questions about cycle facilities on A904/B800 as these are reworked for the new bridge.</p> <p>This section of road is particularly dangerous on a bicycle as it stands.</p> <p>I fear that since the new bridge is 'just for cars', that's all they're thinking about. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-90027 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:30:40 +0000 chdot 90027@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"ENGINEERING bosses say the staggering scale of the new Forth road crossing has prompted them to recalculate the number of workers they need."</p> <p><a href="http://m.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/lothians-jobs-boom-as-new-forth-bridge-takes-shape-1-2616302" rel="nofollow">http://m.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/lothians-jobs-boom-as-new-forth-bridge-takes-shape-1-2616302</a></p> <p>Even allowing for this being a 'good news story' (presumably based on a press release) the idea that they didn't know how many workers they'd need seems a bit odd. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88603 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:17:31 +0000 Arellcat 88603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've probably ranted before about the Forth Road Bridge mkII. They can have their extra bridge for cars, but if they don't improve the original for wind-affected road users, they're shooting themselves in the other foot too about having the means to reduce demand.</p> <p>PS Have voted on the poll. It's not looking good for the pro-bridge collective. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88595 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:58:14 +0000 Kim 88595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see there is a chance to vote on whether you think that the new Forth road bridge is unnecessary, currently the "Yes, we should simply repair the current bridge" option is winning...</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/money-sucking-forth-bridge-claim-sparks-row-1-2593569" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/money-sucking-forth-bridge-claim-sparks-row-1-2593569</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88558 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:52:32 +0000 kaputnik 88558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Baldcyclist I think they did...</p> <p>Evan Davis has a new current affairs show on BBC looking at infrastructure projects, one of which was the Forth Replacement Crossing. He did a rather simplistic piece on why it needed to be replaced (getting old, not designed for quite so many cars...) and had some people from the project tell him how fantastic the new bridge would be, but totally overlooked the "other side" of the economists' supply vs. demand equation, in that if you've got a fixed supply of bridge, that the only option isn't just to increase supply with new bridge, but to try doing something about reducing demand. So no mention was made of overlooked or missed initiatives such as modifying signalling on Forth Bridge to increase rail capacity or the Hoverforth thing or doing something to reduce the requirement for quite so many HGVs to use the bridge... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88557 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:49:30 +0000 chdot 88557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ Baldcyclist </p> <p>Not sure if they have released final final verdict - but seems so. </p> <p>They decided they couldn't wait as extra FB was essential to stop the world economy falling apart. </p> <p>Or something. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88556 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:42:07 +0000 Baldcyclist 88556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Didn't they find out subsequently that blowing air into the cables was working and that they had stopped corroding, and that the current bridge wasn't actually going to fall down imminently as a result? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8721#post-88554 Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:37:09 +0000 chdot 88554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/money-sucking-forth-bridge-claim-sparks-row-1-2593569" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/money-sucking-forth-bridge-claim-sparks-row-1-2593569</a></p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Murray" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Murray</a></p> <p><a href="mailto:Elaine.Murray.msp@scottish.parliament.uk">Elaine.Murray.msp@scottish.parliament.uk</a> </p>