http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Guerilla anti cycling signs en Thu, 21 May 2026 17:01:40 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-92057 Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:13:01 +0000 neddie 92057@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks CyclePC </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-92013 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:43:55 +0000 SRD 92013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for the ACTION and the info CyclePC! </p> <p>Hope something can be done to make relations between cyclists and pedestrians in that area a bit less fraught....(and not get the PCs caught in the middle) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-92012 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:40:06 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 92012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Navel gazing FTW! ;)</p> <p>Thanks for the info Cycle PC. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-92011 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:34:23 +0000 Cycle PC 92011@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have been in touch with the local officer's and the signs at Pinkhill will be removed and their location revised. </p> <p>I am keen to take on board your suggestions regarding other cycling matters and with the assistance of Edinburgh Council, use these to try and improve the cycle infrastructure in Edinburgh. Please feel free to PM me any thoughts you have.</p> <p>Paul. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91862 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:30:27 +0000 HankChief 91862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps their should be better signing of what are and what aren't shared used paths would help pedestrians know where bikes are allowed and cyclists where they aren't allowed.</p> <p>Wouldn't stop everything but would help clear up any misunderstanding of where bike are allowed.</p> <p>Oh, and also a clear way of getting the missing links in current shared paths sorted out. (recent chat on here about broomhouse and gyle routes spring to mind) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91846 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 23:06:19 +0000 chdot 91846@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I believe the path between Balgreen and Corstorphine is a shared use"</p> <p>Yes, which is why the positioning of the "police" signs is likely to do more harm than good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91845 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:57:39 +0000 neddie 91845@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I believe the path between Balgreen and Corstorphine is a shared use path, as shown on these signs located near Pinkhill:</p> <p> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/8206143895/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8206143895_4113d70764.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonsai_bonus/8206143895/">Balgreen - Corstophine path signs</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91828 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:44:31 +0000 Cycle PC 91828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hello,</p> <p>I will have to do some investigation into these signs and get back to you. I have not seen them before and had no knowledge of them until today.</p> <p>Paul </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91809 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:26:00 +0000 LaidBack 91809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In that case I'm part of the problem.... I didn't ask the girl who cycled down the pavement to the library why she felt that was ok. Likewise the young asian student who decided that it was ok to use the crossings at the Tron.</p> <p>I have of course criticised my own daughter for doing similar things in the past - although we're all safe now as she leant her bike to a friend and it got nicked! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91804 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:10:37 +0000 SRD 91804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Pavement stencilled signs were done elsewhere at Albany St and got a thumbs down...." </p> <p>Also at George Square where I have very much opposed them for several reasons. </p> <p>But if the police feel obliged to respond to the safer neighbourhood things, at least signs on pavements would be clearer, AND I didn't suggest spraypaint, but chalk. Exactly what the council uses to highlight dog-mess, so proportionate, and temporary. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91802 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:08:47 +0000 SRD 91802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"as no-one on pavement seemed to care" </p> <p>Or too 'proper' to actually 'glare' at someone or confront them (as I have done), but will whinge til the cows come home on the EEN comments page/Community council meetings etc? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91801 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:06:35 +0000 LaidBack 91801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pavement stencilled signs were done elsewhere at Albany St and got a thumbs down....<br /> Can't find shot - sure chdot has one.</p> <p>I was musing on the whole pavement cycling thing this morn whilst dog walking (almost as bad as cycling you know!)</p> <p>In 15 mins I saw three variants of how to do a right turn on a cycle when it's a red light. (Also saw at least six other vehicles doing a lot worse but that's OT ).</p> <p>• Going from High St to Library - continuing on red and then cycling up onto pavement past Hotel Missoni using ramp at green man. They just snuck in before it came on. </p> <p>• Going from North Bridge to High St - using ASL to make right turn across stopped traffic then cycle up onto pavement at corner then right turn onto High St. Basically this is almost continental as the cyclist felt safe following the pedestrian phases rather than going diagonally.</p> <p>• Going north towards The Mound - stop at red light, wait till green man comes on. Then cycle over slowly.</p> <p>It wouldn't surprise me if this sort of bike use becomes more prevalent as no-one on pavement seemed to care. I know it doesn't make it right but it is one trend that seems to be happening as can be witnessed from my shop window. Slightly OT but related I know. </p> <p>What might have been better is to mark out a cordoned off bike route round where the desire line is/was at Roseburn. This might have taken some road space out but not a problem for any other reason it seems. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91787 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:18:24 +0000 minus six 91787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>well, that's a fair point, wingpig.</p> <p>i admit that moderate reason is not the cut of my jib, but frankly neither are the conditions out there on the roads daily.</p> <p>i don't seek attention unduly, its just personal therapy, so i'll sign out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91785 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:17:48 +0000 Morningsider 91785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>kaputnik - I've had a good look into your query about the powers of police to erect these signs. Police do have powers (Sections 66 and 67 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) to erect signs that deal with temporary road restrictions due to special events and emergency situations. They do not seem to have any specific legislative powers to erect the signs shown earlier in this thread. That's not to say the signs are "illegal" - the police may have some general power to post informatory signs that I am not aware of - police powers are pretty broad and are not really something I know much about. </p> <p>It is pretty clear that these are not "road signs" in any formal sense, that is a type of sign defined in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 (as amended). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91782 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:36 +0000 wingpig 91782@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The problem with nobvious things like tone (and in-jokes etc.) is that they could put off newcomers, or be unrepresentative of the general usual reasonableness of the contributorship if read in isolation by, for example, a police, councilperson or parliamentron. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91781 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:09:37 +0000 slowcoach 91781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not being familiar with this path, is it a road (as many paths are)? If it is a road then any signs have to comply with legislation and this doesn't seem to (not using proper symbol) so it could be illegal to put them up.</p> <p>If these are Council lighting columns, then asking the street lighting section might help. Street Lighting engineers are often keen to prevent any signs going on "their" poles.</p> <p>Is it a Core Path? If it is, then access legislation apparently supersedes roads legislation "7 (1) Section 6 above does not prevent or restrict the exercise of access rights over any land which is a core path." see <a href="http://www.cyclingscotland.org/news/roads-legislation-and-core-paths/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclingscotland.org/news/roads-legislation-and-core-paths/</a> so the council might have a duty to get the signs removed? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91780 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:01:52 +0000 chdot 91780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"i have a rant on the forum, and i have a laugh (sardonic as it may be)"</p> <p>Aye the dangers of conveying 'tone' on the Internet!</p> <p>No I'm not allowing emoticons!!</p> <p>Be careful out there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=3#post-91779 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:58:04 +0000 minus six 91779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>might help your cause if you weren't being quite so unpleasant.</em></p> <p>unpleasant towards who exactly, steveo ?</p> <p>i have a rant on the forum, and i have a laugh (sardonic as it may be) </p> <p>its therapeutic, considering the daily aggro faced during a thirty mile round trip road commute.</p> <p>but i don't think i've been <em>unpleasant</em> toward anyone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91765 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:35:45 +0000 fimm 91765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ha!<br /> No one is forcing them to reply, of course...<br /> They're watching us... ;-)</p> <p>(Just to be clear, I am of the opinion that police use of a forum such as this to guage the opinions of a particular subset of the public on local issues such as this one is a Good Thing.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91764 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:30:46 +0000 chdot 91764@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Is there any way of pointing the CyclePCs at threads like"</p> <p>Maybe... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91761 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:20:08 +0000 fimm 91761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is there any way of pointing the CyclePCs at threads like this one? If my memory serves me correctly, they are on here to "liase with the cycling community" or some such... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91760 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:17:12 +0000 steveo 91760@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What do you suggest? Perhaps we could organise some kind of protest and get loads cyclist to ride towards the seat of the Scottish government? Might need a catchier title. </p> <p>Seriously; I get what your trying to say, I think your wrong, but must you express it in such a sanctimonious manner? It might help your cause if you weren't being quite so unpleasant... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91759 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:11:47 +0000 minus six 91759@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>why bother with chalk or signage ?</p> <p>maybe they could just brand navel-gazing cyclists instead</p> <p>some kind of prominent yellow badge</p> <p>to be worn at all times ! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91750 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:38:34 +0000 SRD 91750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Could we suggest they try chalk stencils onthe pavement itself ? that would be similar to the chalk stencils the council puts around dogmess. and would allow them to specifically target the pavements and not the access to paths? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91748 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:21:04 +0000 chdot 91748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just been given a generic email, no officer's name. </p> <p>PM me if you would like to send local police a comment/question. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91745 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:00:14 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 91745@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>We complain about the Police not listening, or doing things that we consider unhelpful to cyclists, but we don't ask, we don't challenge. We navel gaze and complain to each other.</em>"</p> <p>I thnik most of the posts on here have been about finding out information in order to make an informed review of the signs.</p> <p>So 'is it a pavement/footway/footpath?', 'which part are the signs aimed at?' 'is there a local pavement cycling problem?' before simply launching in to the police with 'why are these signs here they're wrong?!?!' which is surely a better approach....</p> <p>(and from reading the above it does sound like chdot <em>has</em> spoken to someone about it - and plenty other threads with complaints that could be seen as 'navel gazing' have then had posts from people telling everyone what response they got - I think you're being slightly harsh on the CCE members who do, have, and will continue to, raise matters elsewhere rather than just leaving it to these electronic pages) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91728 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:53:43 +0000 chdot 91728@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> So these are postive signs showing that despite the Russell Rd shambles people are still cycling.</p> <p>"<br /> Interesting supposition. </p> <p>Probably true! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91726 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:50:38 +0000 LaidBack 91726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The signs seem to indicate that plugging up the normal end of a main cycle route into town has consequences. I'm sure not all cyclists use the pavement but having been re-routed in very roundabout manner it's not surprising some use the pavement when the road is full and has no cycle lane IIRC.<br /> So these are postive signs showing that despite the Russell Rd shambles people are still cycling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91724 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:34:17 +0000 559 91724@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Work on the principle of "if you don't ask, you won't get" </p> <p>We complain about the Police not listening, or doing things that we consider unhelpful to cyclists, but we don't ask, we don't challenge. We navel gaze and complain to each other.</p> <p>Additionally part of the problem is locals have a "community" or constituency, which can be used to leverage a equivalent police action/reaction.<br /> We don't, by our very nature we are spread all over the city and beyond. Consequently websites like this and organisations like Spokes, have to become our local voice. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8946&page=2#post-91713 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:49:01 +0000 kaputnik 91713@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does anyone know what sort of legislation covers such (I assume temporary) signage, when it's not for the highway / carriageway?</p> <p>As in do the Police have carte blanch to put up signs wherever and whenever they deem fit, and for as long as they deem necessary? Clearly they can't just go making up custom roadsigns whenever they want to, but can they do it for cycle paths? </p>