http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Black metal railings en Wed, 08 Apr 2026 14:15:04 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-113063 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:39:52 +0000 steveo 113063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More likely:<br /> Council complains it can't afford it.<br /> Sustrans provides matched funds.<br /> 6 months later after "pressure" from locals bollards are removed completely.<br /> Traffic readjusts and race days are chaos again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-113058 Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:58:55 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 113058@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Utopian Plan:</p> <p>Council buys it<br /> Lowerable bollards installed<br /> Cycle Route bridge removes 'conflict' from 'pedestrian' bridge<br /> Bollards lowered for 'traffic' on race days etc </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-113016 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:27:45 +0000 Cyclingmollie 113016@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'twas indeed mayhem apparently. Didn't see it myself as we went in the other direction, to the Meadows Festival and Tang's.<br /> By train. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-113014 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:19:42 +0000 kaputnik 113014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If/when the council take it over, it should be open permanently as the cycle route. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-112995 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 18:21:56 +0000 chdot 112995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/musselburgh-bridge-closure-causing-mayhem-in-town-1-2953892" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/latest-news/musselburgh-bridge-closure-causing-mayhem-in-town-1-2953892</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-108143 Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:40:58 +0000 wingpig 108143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just in time for lighter evenings: Leith Links chicanes now reflectorised...</p> <p> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/8665918626/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8262/8665918626_798b8e7a4d_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/8665918626/">IMAG0804</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106801 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:58:22 +0000 Kenny 106801@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've seen motorbikes on the NEPN - or more accurately, those little child-sized motorbikes, not a full-on 600cc thing. But I don't think that is the sole purpose for these black gates. Instead, I think the point of them is to slow down cyclists if you are coming to a point where you should be going slower. They have them before bridges near town on the canal footpath, and they do the right job there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106796 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:42:39 +0000 stiltskin 106796@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Living next to the NEPN, I have to say that motorbikes are a fairly regular occurrence. Normally after dark, but in the summer quite often when it is still light. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106793 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:18:32 +0000 PS 106793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I assumed they were to prevent children running straight out onto the road. </em></p> <p>+1</p> <p>Or cycling straight out onto the road/pavement.</p> <p>Particularly useful at the end of vennels etc where high walls mean you cannot see approaching peds on the pavement you're about to cross, like <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/gCjXw">here</a> on Dick Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106790 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:01:38 +0000 Cyclingmollie 106790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I assumed they were to prevent children running straight out onto the road. </p> <p>There used to be a no cycling sign at just one side of the bridge so pedestrians heading east would get angry at cyclists heading west who had no idea what the problem was. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106780 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:36 +0000 fimm 106780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have, once, seen a motorbike (or it might have been a scooter) on the NEPN. It was dark, IIRC, and must have been about 8pm ish. I only thought about getting the number plate when it was too late.</p> <p>I agree, the chicanes in various places make no sense for restricting motorbikes. I think some of the ones on the towpath are there are a result of (perceived or actual) cyclists going too fast? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996&page=2#post-106778 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:37:28 +0000 Dave 106778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't see the point in them. If you can get a family bike (be that a trailer, a tandem or longtail, whatever) or something adapted for disability like a handcycle though them, it would be easy to get a motorbike through too.</p> <p>It seems perverse to block access for the less able against a largely nebulous fear of motorbikes. For instance, I've been using NEPN for over five years and there are numerous points where you can just drive right on. Never seen a single motorbike.</p> <p>There's a footbridge over the canal just before the bypass which has brutal gates (I got through by grabbing both rails and using my SPDs to lift the bike up and swing it around, and even so it was tight). </p> <p>About a hundred yards along from this the towpath has level access for motorbikes. Madness. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105662 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:08:39 +0000 Focus 105662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't mind those kinds of barriers myself, provided they are far enough apart to get through without dismounting. I appreciate they're a pain for those with trailers etc but at least they make it harder (sadly not <em>impossible</em>) for motorbikes to use them as race tracks and shortcuts. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105640 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:09:37 +0000 crowriver 105640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aye but the stupid chicanes are still there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105618 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:40:01 +0000 Focus 105618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A sign (excuse the pun) that consultation can work. Well done ELC! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105581 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:33:20 +0000 chdot 105581@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> East Lothian Council (@ELCouncil)<br /> 23/03/2013 13:13<br /> @CyclingEdin New signs erected following consultation with cyclists and walkers and to resolve concerns aired.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105566 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:26:32 +0000 chdot 105566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow progress! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-105564 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:16:42 +0000 Cyclingmollie 105564@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder why the Council replaced the "No Cycling" signs with these ones earlier this week. They do make a lot more sense. </p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8581476955/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8112/8581476955_a4a814401f_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8581476955/">Electric footbridge, Musselburgh</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/44681630@N02/">Cycling Mollie</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-93273 Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:15:32 +0000 andy@storybikes 93273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Replies to Gavin Corbett (my local councillor) from Scottish Canals on the barely visible barrier problem:-<br /> "We checked all the barriers on Wednesday 28 Nov and replaced/ increased the number of reflective strips on all barriers. It would be good if you get any feed back about their effectiveness if you could forward it on.<br /> We believe this should be sufficient if cyclists are taking the normal precautions when travelling in the dark but if you have any suggestions we would obviously be happy to look at them."<br /> I'm happy to pass on suggestions.<br /> From the council:-<br /> "Regarding the visibility of barriers across the wider cycle network we will undertake to identify those that could benefit from being highlighted better. We will then investigate and apply a suitable treatment to make them easier to see, especially in low-light conditions." No timescale given for this. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92326 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:28:49 +0000 ExcitableBoy 92326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>andy...</p> <p>I ride through that way often and moan to myself how crap/dangerous those barriers are! I never get around to doing owt about it though - shame on me!</p> <p>I also travel along the prom daily, and I'm sure I'm going to come a cropper on day on the large pale green barriers at either end, which sometimes are left open.</p> <p>Possibly the hardest to see though, was/is, the chain used sometimes on a Sunday at Duddingston Loch across the entrance/exit to the park! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92323 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:10:53 +0000 Greenroofer 92323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are some completely black chicanes out on the towpath just outside the bypass. I did apply some guerilla Scotchlite (TM) to them last year, just to give me some idea where they are in the pitch dark. It's still there.</p> <p>I think they are there to slow cyclists, rather than to prevent access. Nevertheless, they could do with a generous application of reflective paint. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92314 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:18:52 +0000 andy@storybikes 92314@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I returned to the dastardly spot this evening to have a look. You know how it is when you come off your bike. Feeling like a wally you want to get going again before anybody notices, so you don't really take in the scene. Well, that's me anyway.<br /> I've put a photo here. <a href="http://storybikes.com/blog/?p=178" rel="nofollow">http://storybikes.com/blog/?p=178</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92287 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:06:25 +0000 Cyclingmollie 92287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just had a look with the dog:</p> <p><code><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8220303311/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8220303311_d4db273e81_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8220303311/">NCN1 Fisherrow</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/44681630@N02/">Cycling Mollie</a>, on Flickr</code></p> <p><code><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8221382148/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8221382148_75a5b91c6e_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8221382148/">NCN1 Fisherrow</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/44681630@N02/">Cycling Mollie</a>, on Flickr</code></p> <p>and the markings where the dropped kerb is going:</p> <p><code><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8220300437/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8203/8220300437_63706933ed_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44681630@N02/8220300437/">Dropped kerb planning</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/44681630@N02/">Cycling Mollie</a>, on Flickr</code> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92279 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:04:00 +0000 Cyclops 92279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure who owns or is responsible for the electricity bridge now. It's definitely not the council. It was originally built and owned by the SSEB (remember them?). Is it now owned by Scottish Power (their successors) or was it gifted to Musselburgh Racecourse (as they have the keys for the gates)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92277 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:53:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 92277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, that's what I'd heard, which sort of makes sense, but when there's a big horse race on at the track the bridge is opened up for use. So who is taking responsibility for it? (I guess it may be the racetrack people who pay the council to be able to use the bridge?)</p> <p>EDIT: 'makes sense' as in that's why they haven't opened it for public use generally, not 'makes sense' as in it's a good thing - it is, as you say, silly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92273 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:40:53 +0000 crowriver 92273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I was asking why it couldn't be bollarded, with reference to the fact that it's currently gated. Bollards would just make so much more sense.</em></p> <p>IIRC East Lothian council refused to 'take over' the bridge and its upkeep after it was built (for transporting generator stuff to Cockenzie?). Bloody silly but there we go... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92268 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:21:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 92268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>It's not bollarded, it's gated.</em>"</p> <p>Sorry, my post wasn't terribly clear - I was asking why it couldn't be bollarded, with reference to the fact that it's currently gated. Bollards would just make so much more sense.</p> <p>Interesting that the no cycling sugns have gone back up (I approach that bridge in a similar fashion, walk or cycle very very slowly if there's someone on it already - I've witnessed one bit of aggro when some club riders went over and were accosted by an old lady for not dismounting, and I can't be bothered with the hassle). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92258 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:57:11 +0000 Cyclingmollie 92258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was an attempt to start a cyclists pressure group here back in May. Only three people turned up. We did make some future plans including an open planning meeting to record a wish-list of Musselburgh infrastructure. That hasn't happened. But some of the things we mentioned including the missing drop-kerbs at Rennie's Bridge (the one which carries the main road over the North Esk with NCN under the western arch) are being put in. The electric bridge is apparently a long-standing issue. It's not bollarded, it's gated. </p> <p>I think there <em>is</em> now a Cyclists Dismount sign on the western end. The grey was over-painted in black about three weeks ago. Most cyclists do dismount. I do if there's anyone using the bridge though it's a bit mad to have a dismount section on the NCN (but then the NCN has steps too). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92250 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:36:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 92250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep. There <em>used</em> to be a gate AND signs saying no cycling/cyclists dismount on the west side. These came down quite a while back (though I'm surprised Google has already caught up) and as it's part of the NCN it's pretty safe to assume you can ride over. Then you get to the other side and there's a gate and for coming from the eat there are the no cycling/cyclists dismount signs. It's almost as if they actually <em>want</em> to create tension between cyclists coming from the west and pedestrians coming from the east.</p> <p>Still don't understand why they don't removable bollard the electric bridge. Someone has to come and open the gate when there's horse racing on anyway, so that same person would simply have to come along and drop a few bollards. Mark the electric bridge as for cyclists and the narrow bridge as for pedestrians, and Bob's your uncle.</p> <p>Seriously, why why why has this not been considered? (I know a few from here, myself included, have contacted councillors about this - I was informed I didn't live within that area and so the councillor couldn't help me). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8996#post-92241 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:51:18 +0000 DaveC 92241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD said, "No there are no signs when yu aproach from the west"</p> <p>I know but I don't know why this is. Perhaps it was never put up, or perhaps as the west is not technically Mussleburgh I beleive, they clocal council don't wnat a sign? Has been known to happen.</p> <p><img src="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p86/Dave_Crampton/remove_me.jpg"></p> <p>On the west side the 'old' google street view shows no gates either. </p>