http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Two Years in Prison en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 02:56:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94562 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:39:59 +0000 chdot 94562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>APPCG (@allpartycycling)<br /> 14/12/2012 19:11<br /> @grumpy_cyclist @citycyclists we will be exploring sentencing during our Inquiry. Evidence sessions start in mid January. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94559 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:21:22 +0000 PS 94559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC We can have that argument, but you won't get much more coherent from me than that staring at those Rothkos in the flesh I feel touched emotionally. Don't know why. It's like the late Turners, but more so, because at least you know Turner is depicting *something*...</p> <p>Anyways, I should correct my reference to "lamentable sentences" to "lamentable verdicts" and direct the blame to juries who take pity on drivers because they can imagine themselves doing the same thing (there but for the grace of god...) whereas they would never do the same thing for a guy vandalising a painting, because they'd never do it themselves. </p> <p>I know trial by jury is seen as a pillar of our society, but my experience as a juror gave me no confidence in the system at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94557 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:59:17 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 94557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@PS Yep. Although we need to hav an argument about Rothko in particular, and modern art in general, at some point... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94556 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:55:43 +0000 Smudge 94556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>even the quiet law-abiding cyclist like me who only rides very slowly through red lights</em>"</p> <p><img src="http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/Sick020/picard-facepalm.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94555 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:21:58 +0000 Min 94555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94546 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:31:25 +0000 PS 94546@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quite right that people get incarcerated for damaging/destroying great works of art (I do like a good Rothko - I've spent ages staring at the ones in MOMA and the National Gallery). If they weren't then it'd be open season at the galleries.</p> <p>Inanimate objects are human culture made flesh (so to speak). Take them away and what's the bloody point of it all? Arguably, future generations would miss them more than a few individuals...</p> <p>However, I presume this is a thread to make a point about the lamentable sentences handed out to bad/careless/incompetent drivers rather than a suggestion that we should all be allow to trash Picasso's Guernica? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94544 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:07:33 +0000 Cyclingmollie 94544@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This has nothing to do with modern art. Cyclists are viewed as road-kill by the law. I don't understand why cycling hasn't developed a militant wing by now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94538 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:27:13 +0000 wee folding bike 94538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Baldy,</p> <p>Funnily enough that's just what I put on my Facebooks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94537 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:25:48 +0000 Baldcyclist 94537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>even more poignant when you see stuff like this...</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20725496" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20725496</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94535 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:23:52 +0000 wee folding bike 94535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A guy on BBC Scotland used to call that kind of picture phoney art… or fart. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94518 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:17:29 +0000 Baldcyclist 94518@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I bought a large Rothko print when I moved into my first flat. About 15 years later I discovered I had hung it upside down!</p> <p>Now, it takes pride of place in the Guest room, still upside down. Well, I like it that way! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94517 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:15:09 +0000 cc 94517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rothko = megabucks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94514 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:10:10 +0000 steveo 94514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://newsthump.com/2012/12/13/defacing-a-painting-definitely-worse-than-beating-someone-up-insists-crown-court/" rel="nofollow">http://newsthump.com/2012/12/13/defacing-a-painting-definitely-worse-than-beating-someone-up-insists-crown-court/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94513 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:09:34 +0000 minus six 94513@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dada is not dead !</p> <p>Watch your overcoat </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94512 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:09:20 +0000 kaputnik 94512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Modern art.</p> <p>Was scrawled on by a wannabee modern art critic, self-proclaimed founder of a modern art movement called "yellowism".</p> <p>It goes to show, you may run over cyclists or build golf courses on SSSIs, but make sure you don't mess with the establishment. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94511 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:09:02 +0000 Cyclingmollie 94511@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>WC: <em>"malice aforethought"</em></p> <p>Much as I can see some point in on-line anonymity the ability to trace anti-cycling vitriol to people found guilty of injuring cyclists while driving might ramp up the punishments given out. And that would be a good thing if <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/dec/14/drivers-moral-progress-cyclists-speed-awareness?CMP=twt_gu">this account of a speed awareness course</a> is anything to go by. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94509 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:07:33 +0000 Min 94509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's a Rothko and who scribbled on it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9118#post-94507 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:57:42 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 94507@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For scribbling on a Rothko,. I may be biased as I personally think Rothko is a ridiculous waste of artistic discussion, but. <em>Two years</em>???</p> <p>Okay, deliberate act, malice aforethought etc etc etc. But in certain circumstances we do seem to find ourselves favouring inanimate objects over the lives of people... </p>