http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "New bus lane cameras catch 600 offenders" en Fri, 22 May 2026 01:16:15 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-97712 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:05:59 +0000 559 97712@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bus Lane deliberate flouting</p> <p>Drumbrae South bus lane, cars driving all the way down in the lane, entering the lane from Corstorphine Bank Terrace onwards.</p> <p>St Johns Road west bus lane, cars entering the lane from well before the bus stop at Guitar Guitar, usually at brisk speed</p> <p>Both of these are not rare occurences, but extremely frequent.</p> <p>ps Corstorphine Bank Terrace should be closed off at the Drumbrae end, to close to the roundabout </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-96482 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:09:43 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96482@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And @Smudge</p> <p>I know, it was a surprising response. Clearly you made an impression! I love bullies accusing other people of being bullies as well... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-96481 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:08:53 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As it happens I was round at Asda at the Jewel last night and there are additional bright yellow reflective sigs saying that the bus lane cameras will be in operation from the 3rd December. Certainly that one (in comparison to the bus lanes, where it seems I'm in the minority thinking they're well-signed...) is very very clearly marked. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-96476 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:25:57 +0000 Smudge 96476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC, that's astonishing really, months and months later he's still holding a grudge about some of his posts being pulled for cross site posting and harassing other contributors. His style hasn't changed I see, accuse your critics of whatever you're guilty of!</p> <p>Loved the reply though :-)) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-96475 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:32:13 +0000 gkgk 96475@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The bus gates are <em>very</em> clearly marked. Initially warning notes are being issued, rather than fines. Quite reasonable.</p> <p>The Grassmarket m/c bay appears in the photo as well marked, unobscured, not confusing, has been in place two years. A man has some parking tickets. The EN story spins it out a bit but those are the facts. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247&page=2#post-96473 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:38:37 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smudge, as an aside, you were asked after by Mr Incandescent on the EEN comments bit today. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96469 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:06:01 +0000 Smudge 96469@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree with mkns, I believe a proportion of the guilty will be one time genuine mistakes, but of course they don't make good copy do they?<br /> The signs are indeed big and obvious at 10-20mph, but to me at least, trying to read four lines of seemingly random timings on an unlit sign which faces across the road not towards me, as I try to safely navigate an unfamiliar road at 20-25mph is blooming hard!</p> <p>They really really need to introduce a standard set of timings and stick to them. The current system is a total mess.</p> <p>No sympathy for the habitual offenders, but some for the genuinely confused (as I have sympathy for cyclists caught out by badly/unsigned shared paths randomly stopping and starting for example) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96468 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:54:26 +0000 crowriver 96468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe it was a Google trike? I believe they use a pedal powered mapping vehicle of some sort as well as cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96466 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:47:34 +0000 Kenny 96466@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> there are many many stories of people being caught multiple times</em></p> <p>That's true, but for every one person like that, I would counter that there are likely dozens of people who either know how they work, and others who make mistakes rather than deliberately breaking the law. And for all of those latter set of people, their stories never end up in the media. Therefore, I think some may perceive the problem drivers to be far more proportionally significant than reality.</p> <p>I find the drivers who refuse to drive in bus lanes when they are allowed to far outstrips the numbers of drivers who drive in bus lanes when they are not allowed to. And long may that continue!</p> <p>As for the photos of the bus gates, I'd never seen such a thing! Are there many of these around Edinburgh? I'm assuming not, as I've covered quite a lot of the roads in this fair city on foot and bike, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96458 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:47:40 +0000 neddie 96458@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The £60 x2 fine for Google would be more than the entire amount of tax they paid to HMRC ! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96455 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:27:39 +0000 chdot 96455@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And from the other side -</p> <p><a href="http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?panoid=FaoEnI2Zpac4S7aGoOx2iQ&amp;cbp=0,329.06371634435675,,0,0" rel="nofollow">http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?panoid=FaoEnI2Zpac4S7aGoOx2iQ&amp;cbp=0,329.06371634435675,,0,0</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96454 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:24:49 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interestingly the Google car went through the bus gate! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96452 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:18:49 +0000 chdot 96452@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ho ho</p> <p>Check Corbieshot on Google StreetView -</p> <p><a href="http://m.google.com/u/m/-xbWtb" rel="nofollow">http://m.google.com/u/m/-xbWtb</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96450 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:06:12 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nah, it's basically a narrowed bit of road that only buses are allowed through in either direction. Will link later to the actual bit of road (in fact I've videoed it at some point too).</p> <p>The problem with them being 'confusing' (you'll note by the inverted commas that actually I just think it's people not paying proper attention to the signs - like you I love bus lanes when I'm in the car cos I know to look for the signs and know when they operate).</p> <p>As you mention, 'some' people will be genuinely 'confused', but I think you're being a little generous - there are many many stories of people being caught multiple times. It's a bit like points on a licence - it 'should' operate as a slap on the wrist which means people learn their lesson and don't do it again, except there are so many people on 9 points who still go out and speed or the like.</p> <p>Of course if they all operated 24 hours then there would be no confusion at all... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96448 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:54:08 +0000 Kenny 96448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> ENews story is really about "gates" rather than lanes</em></p> <p>Ah! I didn't realise a bus gate differed to a bus lane. I just assumed from the posts that we were talking about normal bus lanes which go in and out of being in force during the day. But the fact remains that my wife would still have made the same error in such a lane as she (for some reason) may not have realised that the bus lane / gate in question was active.</p> <p>I'm now confused - is a bus gate simply a bus lane that is permanently active? There's one of them near Slateford, next to where B&amp;Q used to be, but I thought it was just a bus lane. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96444 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:31:56 +0000 chdot 96444@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>ENews story is really about "gates" rather than lanes. </p> <p>Suspect people caught know fine that they are not meant to use them and (in the past) wouldn't get caught. </p> <p>There is a certain logic in complaining about the 24hrs as the buses don't run at night, but...</p> <p>I think CEC is looking at trying to harmonise/rationalise bus lanes 'in-use' times. </p> <p><em>Presumably</em> that would mean more all day ones(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96441 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:20:22 +0000 Kenny 96441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I've no issue with what he's doing - he's stopping people parking where they're not meant to, surely what the measure are all about</em></p> <p>Yeah... I find it quite disturbing that wardens are moaning at him about it. That's the opposite of what I thought they would do. Maybe they get a bonus for exceeding a number of tickets issued a day / week / month? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96440 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:16:48 +0000 Kenny 96440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm.</p> <p><em> Nearly 20 vehicles per day think the rules don't apply to them</em></p> <p>... and ...</p> <p><em> It's almost funny the way that the paper falls over itself to make excuses for lawbreaking</em></p> <p>My wife managed to get fined last month for driving in a bus lane, but she didn't think the rules didn't apply to her, and she didn't realise she was breaking the law. Unfortunately (for her), she thought the bus lane was one of those which was in operation only during the rush hour, whereas it was one of the few that are in force for about 10 hours of the day.</p> <p>That said, she *was* breaking the law, she realised it, she paid the fine, she learned her lesson. I also had great fun ripping her for it (and still am, although I really should stop now). I think we need to recognise that not all people who are caught are deliberately breaking the rules; they really might be unaware and/or confused.</p> <p>Let's look at it another way. I love bus lanes when I'm driving (which for the past 10 months, I've done very little of, tbf). Bus lanes which are not in force are generally bereft of cars, because it seems about 90% of drivers think they are in force all the time. It's the same with permit holder parking spaces - I love them. Again, people think they are in force all the time, but they are not. Therefore, lots of people don't seem to understand how bus lanes work, despite the fact that the highway code explains them and big blue (they *are* blue, right? I'm colour blind, they might be green) signs make it quite clear when they are in force. So again, I think it would be best for all of our collective blood pressures if we recognise that some people are not clear on how they work. So they get fined, they learn their lesson, they stop doing it, things get better.</p> <p>I think that's the point of the fines, right? A small smack on the back of the hand (£30 isn't going to cause many people a significant problem, but you'd rather have it to spend on booze / cigs / a shimano cassette), and you don't do it again because you learned your lesson.</p> <p>That's the way I look at it, anyway. Now, I'm away off to remind the wife about it once again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96422 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:37:57 +0000 Min 96422@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ooh I quite like OLAMs. Good FLA. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96421 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:26 +0000 Calum 96421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@steveo: you forgot "Otherwise Law-Abiding" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96420 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:19:17 +0000 Min 96420@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I am confused by all the confusion in that story Kappers. I too do not know what he is doing wrong but I don't know why that bay is confusing. I think that some HPMs are confusing it with a free parking spot because they are "only going to be a few minutes". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96417 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:04:52 +0000 kaputnik 96417@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In other chipwrapper parking fury;</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/restaurant-boss-gets-lecture-from-parking-wardens-after-trying-to-help-drivers-avoid-tickets-1-2726392">Restaurant boss ‘gets lecture from parking wardens’ after trying to help drivers avoid tickets </a></p> <p>Picture cropped to obscure the "M/Cs Only" painted clearly on the road next to the bay.</p> <p>I've no issue with what he's doing - he's stopping people parking where they're not meant to, surely what the measure are all about. I get annoyed whenever I hear of parking fines being treated by cooncil as a "revenue stream" - in our ideal world there would be no parking infringement and therefore no fines. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96416 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:21:35 +0000 steveo 96416@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The Motorists* </em></p> <p>I think the group your looking for is the "Hard Pressed/Persecuted Motorist" :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96415 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:19:31 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>My excitement for the forthcoming ban on pavement parking is considerable</em>"</p> <p>It would be great if this one was going to have any effect - been posted on here quite a few times the various reasons why this won't actually be enfroced effectively (in the same way that there is now legislation on disabled parking spaces, but it's not enforced).</p> <p>Which is all really disappointing. :( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96414 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:12:25 +0000 Calum 96414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now if there's one thing I love, it's seeing The Motorists* being given a good kick and laughing at how loud they howl! I am nothing short of overjoyed that the council is collecting some revenue from these selfish and persistent lawbreakers. My excitement for the forthcoming ban on pavement parking is considerable - I will be gleeful and prolific in reporting infringement to the relevant authorities!</p> <p>*And by that, I don't mean anyone who owns a car - I mean the ones who never walk, or cycle, or get the bus/train, and who behave with complete disregard for other road users - driving and parking wherever and however they like. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96413 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:55:40 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I may have left a teensy bit of a scarcastic comment on the site. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96412 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:44:32 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Another politician led raid on your hard earned cash the thieving con artists</em>"</p> <p>Just really doesn't register, does it, that if you don't break the very clear rules then you won't have to part with that hard earned cash.</p> <p>The way it's lambasted it's almost as if it's <em>impossible</em> to avoid breaking the law... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96411 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:42:47 +0000 Min 96411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Us non-motorists huddle together on soot-covered pavements, tolerating your constant noise, smell and pollution as well as the fact that you maim and kill hundreds of us every year, but YOU'RE the persecuted group?!</em></p> <p>*cheers* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96409 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:31 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 96409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I use the Asda at the Jewel a reasonable amount - and have to admit that I've never really been tempted to take the cut-through in the car. It's not really that much of an extra distance.</p> <p>Coming through it on the bike I'm always extra aware of cars leaving the car park as most drivers there hardly even glance to their left.</p> <p>Just waiting for the commenter logic. For instance it's mentioned by someone in the article that the numbers caught show the need for the cameras (which is perfectly logical), whereas we know the logic of drivers of a fundamentalist persuasion is that a lot of people breaking the rules means the rules are stupid and should be changeed (funny how this applies to speeding and bus lanes, but not to cyclists running red lights).</p> <p>It's also mentioned the cameras will operate 24/7 - I can guarantee someone will complain that that's ridiculous and it should be limited to certain times; while that same person will, in previous bus lanes rants, have complained that they all have different times and so it's too confusing (and reading a sign is too much to ask of a driver). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9247#post-96408 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:37:40 +0000 Dave 96408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's almost funny the way that the paper falls over itself to make excuses for lawbreaking. As a regular driver I've never inadvertently changed lanes because traffic is heavy (in fact, heavy traffic is exactly when I'd be most careful not to crash into anything by drifting out of lane).</p> <p>Anyone who actually uses the roads can see the plain evidence that people wantonly flout the law (unless the EEN thinks that people are also "inadvertantly parking in bus lanes due to heavy traffic", for instance).</p> <p>Glad to see fines coming back in for this. I'll not quickly forget the tremendous snarl on Leith St due to a painter who had parked up in the bus lane to do some painting of a shop front (at 17:30! Yes, really!) about twenty feet in front of the removed bus lane camera. </p>