http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Latest insult to life - £35 fine and 3 points for killing cyclist en Mon, 18 May 2026 19:25:38 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97367 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:44:13 +0000 slowcoach 97367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The prosecution decided there wasn't enough evidence to prove that the initial impact was caused by the driver, and we have seen some other cases where attempts by the prosecution to prove this failed.<br /> Strict liability laws might be hard to achieve, but could we push for all motor vehicles to have compulsory data recorders and cameras fitted to record how they were being driven in the event of an accident? Maybe we could start with taxis and skip lorries? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97360 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:01:49 +0000 sallyhinch 97360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah no, the lack of due care and attention was for his driving *while* the cyclist was on the bonnet. With a bit of mitigation for the fact that he couldn't see very well because the cyclist was on his bonnet (I really wish I was making this up). The CPS declined to prosecute on what happened when he hit the cyclist as they didn't have enough evidence as to whose fault it was. So the driver was actually convicted for hitting a *tree* not a person. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97345 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:50:33 +0000 kaputnik 97345@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In contrast - <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-21087633">Snowdon 4x4 case: Craig Williams jailed for 22 months</a>. Somehow managed a dangerouns driving conviction for driving up a path with nobody on it, whereas running down a cyclist then driving down the road with them on your bonnet is merely a lack of "due care and attention" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97343 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:34:09 +0000 kaputnik 97343@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For the crime of driving while banned, we ban you from driving.</p> <p>That's about as much use as banning burglars from burglary.</p> <p>Is our justice system really so naive that it assumes banning a lawbreaker from breaking the law that they broke (thereby resulting in the ban( will ever work? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97342 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:25:07 +0000 fimm 97342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The thing that I noticed most about the case that Arellcat linked to was that the driver<br /> "<em>had previous convictions for drink driving, careless driving and being behind the wheel while disqualified</em>".</p> <p>How do we convince people like this to change their ways? Banning them from driving doesn't work, because they'll drive anyway... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97337 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:53:34 +0000 Arellcat 97337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But if you drive while drunk, kill a pedestrian and flee from the scene, and you have previous convictions for doing the same, you get five years.</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21056285" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21056285</a></p> <p>Pedestrians are vulnerable people going about their business.<br /> Cyclists are there for the taking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97327 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:38:44 +0000 sallyhinch 97327@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More detail here</p> <p><a href="http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/update-from-court-cps-v-bhamra.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/update-from-court-cps-v-bhamra.html</a></p> <p>It doesn't get any more understandable though... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97319 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:53:15 +0000 Cyclingmollie 97319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>c.f. damaging a car: "Vandalism is a criminal offence and anybody found guilty will face criminal punishment, which could be a large fine or imprisonment depending on the severity of the action." <a href="http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/criminal/youth_crime/500561.html">source</a><br /> The <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/fatal-journey-the-story-of-a-cycling-tragedy-412717.html">Rhyl tragedy</a> remains imo the most egregious example of this type of thing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97316 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:01:32 +0000 deckard112 97316@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just speechless! A human life appears to be the same as a speeding ticket. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97313 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:36:05 +0000 neddie 97313@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Despicable. I think the judge should be given a driving ban and made to cycle for a year or two. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9298#post-97281 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:07:15 +0000 kaputnik 97281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry if you've just eaten, this may make you sick.</p> <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/73826-taxi-driver-fined-%C2%A335-3-points-his-licence-after-cyclist-killed-collission">Magistrates in Solihull have fined a taxi driver £35 and given him three penally points for an incident last year which he collided with a cyclist and then carried him for a further 90 metres on the bonnet of his car colliding with traffic signs and eventually hitting a tree. 20 year old animation student Tom Ridgway died of his injuries shortly afterwards.</a> </p>