http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: POP2 Park & Ride Feeder en Tue, 23 Jun 2026 03:12:19 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320&page=2#post-99463 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:19:27 +0000 chdot 99463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> it is likely that the path from Sheriffhall to Eskbank and Dalkeith will not be accessible by May</p> <p>"<br /> "</p> <p>Works are progressing steadily on the railway, particularly in the Midlothian area. As a result, closure of the Black Path between Sheriffhall and Gorebridge will begin on Friday 15th February.<br /> Due to the volume of work that will be involved with this task, the closure of the path will be carried out in sections: starting at Sheriffhall and working towards Gorebridge.<br /> The path will be completely closed by Monday 29th February.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/news/alternative-routes-provided-by-midlothian-council-for-black-path-users.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/news/alternative-routes-provided-by-midlothian-council-for-black-path-users.aspx</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-98264 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:50:13 +0000 Arellcat 98264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>...not sure if the railway path will be open in May (restored railway). I am sure that someone from Network Rail will be able to help us there.</em></p> <p>Amir, Network Rail confirmed to me that it is likely that the path from Sheriffhall to Eskbank and Dalkeith will not be accessible by May. Alternative routes will be set up, though; I'm speaking to Midlothian Council for the details. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97828 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:53:10 +0000 sallyhinch 97828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@bdellar - fantastic, added! <a href="http://pedalonparliament.org/the-route/getting-there/#feeder-rides" rel="nofollow">http://pedalonparliament.org/the-route/getting-there/#feeder-rides</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97817 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:02:30 +0000 wee folding bike 97817@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There were two little Alexanders as well as the more grown up one in DS9 and they made that show more than 20 years ago you know.</p> <p>There was also an Alexander who came back in time and was played by James Joseph Sloyan who, among other things, played the guy who experimented on Odo.</p> <p>As George Takei mentioned a few weeks ago, Patrick Stewart looks much the same now so Earl Grey tea must be good for you. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97814 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:35:24 +0000 bdellar 97814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Sallyhinch: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/447672315300588" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/events/447672315300588</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97793 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:05:12 +0000 Arellcat 97793@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em><a href="http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Ground_(episode)" rel="nofollow">http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Ground_(episode)</a></em></p> <p>Hard to believe that little Alexander Rozhenko is now a 6'1" tattooed punk rock guitarist.</p> <p>I've led a number of (adult) group rides (10-15 people) and helped co-marshall up to 50 people across roundabouts, but nothing of the order of POP v1. Let me know if I can help though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97781 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:27:56 +0000 sallyhinch 97781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is there parking there? Would it make sense to direct families there?</p> <p>@bdellar - could you let me know if there's a facebook group or similar for this yet (or when there is one) so I can add it to the website? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97777 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:12:54 +0000 bdellar 97777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've volunteered to organise the feeder from Portobello. I thought we could do the same as last year: meet at the south end of the Prom, then ride up to Big W, then follow the cycle path the whole way through Bingam, Duddingston, up the Innocent Railway, and into the South Side, and across to the Meadows. Off road almost the whole way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97771 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:26:59 +0000 sallyhinch 97771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My experience with cycling kids (having led family rides in Dumfries) is that kids as young as 5 can do five miles easily if they're reasonably good cyclists and it's not too hilly. But for those with balance bikes or less confident kids (or in fancy dress?) should we arrange a 'kiddical mass' P&amp;R for family groups where the route is along canal paths, with a bigger P&amp;R for other groups of confident cyclists who just want to know where to park and a decent route in? If we get 1000+, the chances are that will contain plenty of people who will know Edinburgh well enough to be able to lead off a convoy. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97739 Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:49:14 +0000 kaputnik 97739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em></p> <p>Bit daft to meet and then split up but might work? </em></p> <p>I think some people might be happy to choose between "beginner" and "more experienced" routes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97728 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:39:24 +0000 wee folding bike 97728@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Ground_(episode)" rel="nofollow">http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Ground_(episode)</a></p> <p>Soliton wave in Star Trek - The Next Generation. </p> <p>They have been suspected of causing boats to sink under certain circumstances related to hydrofoils. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97726 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:30:59 +0000 gembo 97726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If hermiston park and ride is the selected muster point, it might be possible to split into two groups. One taking the canal route, eg with kids or less experienced cyclists. The other group could head through Heriot watt up to currie and come in the A70 or the WoL path if it ever dries.</p> <p>Bit daft to meet and then split up but might work? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97711 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:04:25 +0000 chdot 97711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4630335494/"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4016/4630335494_d04c874967_o.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/4630335494/">solitary sign</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97710 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:49:47 +0000 BikeFan 97710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Sorry can't claim to be that knowledgeable!"</p> <p>Me neither, but I'd cycled over it often enough before wondering who the esteemed Mr Scott Russell was, and why the aquaduct was named after him. </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Russell_Aqueduct">Wiki reveals all . . .</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97704 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:23:06 +0000 Roibeard 97704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Lionfish - I wish I'd known that...</p> <p>Sorry can't claim to be that knowledgeable!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97688 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:17:41 +0000 SRD 97688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lionfishy - we are sending a delegation, including our chief Marshall. If you want to volunteer to help organise, please email and we can bring yu on board. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97687 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:57:13 +0000 lionfish 97687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Roi: "soliton waves along the canal" - is that a deliberate reference to the fact that they were discovered/described in the union canal?</p> <p>@SRD: Cool! When's the meeting? - let me know what needs doing - about to have a little more time on my hands (about to hand thesis to supervisor for checking). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97670 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:51:57 +0000 Roibeard 97670@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cb - it's a toss up between distance to cycle (and route) versus ease of access for the assembly point. The P&amp;R are, by design, easy to access, so it's down to the cycle route there and back.</p> <p>A westerly route requires more cycling (asymmetry of the bypass, to which they are proximate) and as a result of cycling east to the Parliament.</p> <p>They're already at least five miles each way - how far is too far? I suspect they may already be too far for families with primary school children, but is it too big an ask for others?</p> <p>I doubt that many occasional cyclists would even dream of parking out at the by-pass to cycle in to town, even if the route were perfect!</p> <p>So is this option just for experienced cyclists, who may not need hand holding anyway?</p> <p>Which is back to the shorter feeder ride idea...</p> <p>Clearly I've no idea which is best! Though maybe nobody could at this stage.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97667 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:44:45 +0000 Roibeard 97667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD <em>There is a meeting planned for later this week, at which we could perhaps get advice from police etc as to what they would prefer.</em></p> <p>Yes please! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97665 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:37:46 +0000 Uberuce 97665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A variable that we'll hopefully have in our possession by the end of this week is the number of police officers assigned this time around. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97664 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:37:02 +0000 Arellcat 97664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've contacted Network Rail about the viability of the off-road route through Eskbank. A diversion along Melville Gate Road to Gilmerton Road might be preferable to negotiating Sheriffhall roundabout unless people on "Amir's ride" are feeling brave! Car drivers can of course set up shop at the P&amp;R at Shawfair. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97662 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:35:57 +0000 cb 97662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The majority of out-of-towners will presumably be from the north and west so perhaps a feeder starting from the west side of Edinburgh would be more popular?</p> <p>(Even though, if you're in the car, going round the bypass to the south or SE doesn't make much difference, people may not see it that way) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97661 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:30:35 +0000 SRD 97661@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a meeting planned for later this week, at which we could perhaps get advice from police etc as to what they would prefer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97658 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:24:56 +0000 Roibeard 97658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OK, so one argument for multiple small groups, moving like traffic. Actually, scratch that, as I don't think you were suggesting groups of 20.</p> <p>Anyway, we didn't manage that last year, and it probably requires 5-10% of the attendees to be marshalls/ride leaders (1 or 2 per 20).</p> <p>I'm not certain that we'll get that many volunteers either.</p> <p>I was more thinking critical mass like blobs - dominate the entire northbound carriageway, but get through in a one go, blocking junctions as necessary, rather than getting broken up.</p> <p>My imagination didn't really extend far beyond last year's experience with the main ride and the Harrison Park feeder.</p> <p>Even that was more critical mass than club ride (~120).</p> <p>So, if we're talking about limiting it to say a hundred per blob, is it better to have those blobs following the same route, or converging along different routes?</p> <p>Same number of marshals required, x per blob, but perhaps a bigger drain on the police? I'd perhaps lean to a single route here, but I'm open to persuasion.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97655 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:11:53 +0000 kaputnik 97655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ambition is good, and there is protection in numbers, however as ride leaders there is an element of responsibility towards charges. </p> <p>The agreed manageable number for a group on club runs is no more than 20, 2 abreast. Clearly that's a different kettle of fish as it's not really lead as such and the group is much tighter and moving at a high speed.</p> <p>There's no harm in aiming for hundreds of people - but getting beyond that you will be requiring proportionately more marshals than it would require for a smaller group, and the sensible option would be to limit it at an agreed upper maximum with agreed number of marshals and break it down into sub-groups. You could stagger groups of this agreed size to leave at say 10-or-15-minute intervals. Competent individuals can be selected from the assembling crowd to support the marshals.</p> <p>That's where having the Police helps as they can eave you through red on a junction and keep the worst of the horn-tooters, tail-gaters and light flashers at bay. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97651 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:51:16 +0000 Roibeard 97651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hermiston is also a bit further (6.5 miles out and 7.5 miles back) and has slightly lower parking capacity (450 v 560).</p> <p>Straiton is bigger (600) and the closest (4.5/5.5), but would require a descent/ascent of Liberton Brae or Kirk Brae! And don't get me started on the roundabouts at the bypass...</p> <p>For Sheriffhall I'd assumed that we'd simply mob Cameron Toll roundabout (with appropriate dispensation), but I can't see that happening/manageable for Straiton.</p> <p>But perhaps I'm being too ambitious?</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97650 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:41:28 +0000 Roibeard 97650@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd discounted the canal due to the numbers I'd dreamed up - 1,000 cyclists in single file would take up a mile and be extraordinarily slow moving! The soliton waves would be beautiful to model.</p> <p>Even 2 abreast, allowing 2m per cycle, the line is 1 km long.</p> <p>I wouldn't even have taken the Harrison Park feeder along the canal, never mind negotiating aqueducts and the like.</p> <p>Our (current) cycle infrastructure isn't adequate for these volumes, hence thinking (wide) main road.</p> <p>But I'm perhaps being over-optimistic, maybe there'll only be a couple of hundred...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97649 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:29:47 +0000 kaputnik 97649@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Canal would be possible but require careful planning. For instance, strict enforcement of single file and walking across the viaduct having a front-riding marshall who could go through the obstructing bridges ahead of the main ride to warn oncoming cyclists of approaching dangers. Definitely possible though, wonder if you would need permission from Scottish Canals. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97647 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:25:33 +0000 SRD 97647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hermiston has virtue of off-road path nearly all the way, but it would be tricky to take a big group along the canal. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9320#post-97645 Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:10:47 +0000 amir 97645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was vaguely thinking of a Feeder from Dalkeith (need to settle holiday plans - usually in May due to work demands). This *could* go via the Sheriffhall P &amp; R but there are a couple of problems:<br /> - not sure if the railway path will be open in May (retored railway). I am sure that someone from Network Rail will be able to help us there.<br /> - Sheriffhall Roundabout </p>