http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Campaign for Drem to Gullane path en Mon, 18 May 2026 12:08:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378676 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:56:58 +0000 chdot 378676@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Money/Power/Privilege/bla bla bla</p> <p>Democracy over?, maybe just an illusion… </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378675 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:44:33 +0000 gembo 378675@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bit of waste ground in St Andrews subject to compulsory purchase but the landowners are disputing in court. Seems only to be straightforward when powerful vested interests and masons are not involved? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378670 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:45:53 +0000 gembo 378670@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Midlothian in the A701 thread just issued a compulsory purchase order. THough this has perhaps taken decades.??? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378666 Mon, 17 Feb 2025 10:56:56 +0000 neddie 378666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does this B-4-numbers road really need a segregated cyclelane? Or does it actually need a filter?</p> <p>Tell you what, here's the deal: We put a modal filter (strategic closure) on the B1345. Then let's see how long it takes for the landowner to sell their strip of land...</p> <p>Honestly, councils. They have no clue how to negotiate... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378660 Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:07:55 +0000 gembo 378660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Depends how Masonic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378659 Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:01:22 +0000 boothym 378659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>East Lothian Council leader Norman Hampshire said despite the local authority’s backing, “we don't have the land available to create that safe route”.</p> <p>He told the planning committee last month: "We spoke to the landowner, but he has refused to sell the land to the council, so it is something we can't achieve at this time."</blockquote></p> <p>Compulsory purchase powers not available to ELC?</p> <p>West Lothian Council have used them to buy land for a cycle path in recent years. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378618 Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:27:06 +0000 gembo 378618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Landowners Douglas or Bobbie Russell holidinng out for what? More cash?</p> <p>That Malcolm Duck is a card. [he once objected to a tie I was wearing nin his restauarnt]</p> <p>Gullane basically wall to wall restaurants? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-378616 Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:07:50 +0000 chdot 378616@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/drem-station-gullane-cycle-path-campaign-dangerous-as-hell-4984809" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/drem-station-gullane-cycle-path-campaign-dangerous-as-hell-4984809</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=3#post-364972 Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:06:11 +0000 neddie 364972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Honestly, trying to build off-road paths when there's land ownership issues on such a minor route is a complete non-starter.</p> <p>The B1345 and surrounding roads simply need to be filtered to prevent through-motor-traffic. Let the cars stick to the A roads! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-364962 Sat, 26 Nov 2022 18:15:46 +0000 chdot 364962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Campaign's disappointment at vehicle friendly report </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://dgcorepath.wixsite.com/website/post/campaign-s-disappointment-at-vehicle-friendly-report" rel="nofollow">https://dgcorepath.wixsite.com/website/post/campaign-s-disappointment-at-vehicle-friendly-report</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-364959 Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:17:07 +0000 Yodhrin 364959@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Being a bit greener at the whole cycling thing than most, I'm honestly a bit shocked that Sustrans would apparently sign off on this absolute mockery of a report. The council have clearly and deliberately set preconditions - don't inconvenience motorists in any way, pretend we don't actually have compulsory purchase powers because we don't want to upset the landowners either, don't bring up national guidance - that they knew would result in the project being declared nonviable, the idea that the body supposedly responsible for delivering cycle infrastructure(putting aside why an NGO is involved at all) would rubber stamp such a cynical farce is deeply disturbing.</p> <p>Is there no recourse to appeal this nonsense, either to the Scottish Government or through the courts? And at this point, is it not time to think about how to push the Scottish Government to stop issuing "guidance" and start issuing <em>instructions</em> on when, where, and how this kind of infrastructure should be built? They're happy enough centralising power in other ways, the people who're upset with them for that are already upset, so they've little to lose by doing so. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-364958 Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:17:07 +0000 chdot 364958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>One of the longest-running disputes in modern Scottish legal history, for 15 years politicians and campaigners struggled to obtain permissions from landowners for the final mile of the route into Gullane, with East Lothian Council saying it lacked the power to compel them to grant access.</p> <p>…</p> <p>However, the final report (link is external), delivered to the council in August but only published last week, advised the authority that although it is possible to create a potential solution at this time, “all options have failed on the deliverability criteria and are therefore considered unfeasible due to land assembly constraints.”</p> <p>….</p> <p>Publishing the report’s findings, East Lothian Council said in a statement: “The combination of projected traffic impacts and unavailability of additional land means that East Lothian Council cannot pursue this project any further at this stage.</p> <p>…</p> <p>In a response to the council’s statement, Drem-Gullane Path Campaign spokesperson Iain V Monk said: “This report puts vehicles at the top of the priority list, rather than the safety of pedestrians and cyclists above those of drivers.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://road.cc/content/news/bike-path-campaigners-slam-vehicle-friendly-report-297649" rel="nofollow">https://road.cc/content/news/bike-path-campaigners-slam-vehicle-friendly-report-297649</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322663 Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:22:52 +0000 chdot 322663@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/dgcorepath/status/1228606465188954112" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/dgcorepath/status/1228606465188954112</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322553 Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:36:07 +0000 chdot 322553@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It’s complicated....</p> <p><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/dremgullanepath/east-lothian-council-letter-2" rel="nofollow">https://sites.google.com/site/dremgullanepath/east-lothian-council-letter-2</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322337 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:35:24 +0000 crowriver 322337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"cycle campaigning can bring its own sense of Sisyphan futility, angst and despair."</p> <p>Tell me about it!</p> <p>The Powderhall Waste Depot closed at the end of 2016. </p> <p>After more than three years of gentle lobbying by community groups (and the coming and going of several Active Travel Officers), City of Edinburgh Council are in the process of appointing consultants to undertake a feasibility study for converting the disused railway line into a shared use path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322321 Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:11:26 +0000 Rosie 322321@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a nice ,heart-warming story in The Guardian about how the writer cured her despair at the state of the world by starting a local cycle campaign. So while being unable to do anything about Brexit, she can achieve a dropped kerb or two. </p> <p>This is in Manchester, where Andy Burnham is handing out money for local infra.</p> <p>I did think, good for her, but cycle campaigning can bring its own sense of Sisyphan futility, angst and despair. </p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/feb/10/i-was-in-despair-at-world-news-then-i-started-a-local-campaign-group" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/feb/10/i-was-in-despair-at-world-news-then-i-started-a-local-campaign-group</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322281 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:00:21 +0000 gembo 322281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes i doubt he will be any cop Wheelhouse, also Islands probably not Inchmickery etc probably islands as far away from E Lothian as you can get and still be in Scotia. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322280 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:35:49 +0000 ejstubbs 322280@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo: I'm not sure that "connectivity" in this case doesn't just mean, basically, wires (and possibly other types of digital infrastructure) carrying information. The <a href="https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/minister-for-energy-connectivity-islands/">SG web page for the post</a> lists that particular responsibility as "connectivity <strong>including 100% broadband</strong>". He does support the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity - but note again the separate mentions for connectivity and transport. However, Mr Wheelhouse's list of responsibilities does include "ferries" (just that - and a classic example of nominative determinism if ever there was one). Unfortunately I don't think a ferry is going to help much with a Drem to Gullane path...</p> <p>There did used to be a railway that ran from the ECML at Spittal just east of Longniddry, via the outskirts of Aberlady to Gullane. Apart from the Aberlady station site (which is now a caravan park) much of the solum appears to be largely intact - or at least readily traceable on OS maps and aerial photos. Not much use as a route for folks in Drem, though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322274 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:24:08 +0000 chdot 322274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re-read thread. </p> <p>Campaign previously agreed to farmer’s offer of (less direct) route. </p> <p>What’s the holdup now? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322271 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:06:03 +0000 chdot 322271@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oops, yes -</p> <p>Kenny M is of course now an MP not MSP!</p> <p>Party allegiance and (potential) influence still apply. </p> <p>Might be more useful for him to spend time talking to former colleagues than hanging around at Westminster. </p> <p>Though I suppose he might be able to persuade Boris to find a small bit of infrastructure cash (not that cash is the only issue here) for the far north... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322270 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 10:37:04 +0000 gembo 322270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@frenchy, my guess is he meant big Kenny. When he retired before i thought he meant it.</p> <p>Hard to keep away from the roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd. maybe.</p> <p>Wheelhouse is already a promising name. Connectivity might be his game? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322268 Sun, 09 Feb 2020 10:00:03 +0000 Frenchy 322268@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Current MSP is of course a former minister in a previous Gov of party currently in Gov.</em></p> <p>Not sure who you're meaning here. Constituency MSP is Iain Gray, who is obviously a Labour MSP. None of the three SNP list MSPs are former ministers, as far as I can tell. Kenny Macaskill is the new MP.</p> <p>One of those SNP MSPs is Paul Wheelhouse, though. Whose ministerial brief is "Energy, <strong>Connectivity</strong> and the Islands". Which seems relevant. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322253 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:48:34 +0000 chdot 322253@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If only someone was proposing a dual carriageway.</p> <p>Current MSP is of course a former minister in a previous Gov of party currently in Gov.</p> <p>Perhaps that’s where the sustained pressure should be. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322252 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:45:29 +0000 chdot 322252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The Drem path saga is a disgrace.</p> <p>Precisely the sort of thing where LAs should compulsory purchase.</p> <p>OR SG wade in and fix it in the name(s) of sustainable development, road safety, health and wellbeing, common sense etc.</p> <p>But that would upset various status quos. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322250 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:41:55 +0000 chdot 322250@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gillan, or perhaps even Gilln, is definitely a contrivance.</p> <p>Never sure if anyone really used it for real or whether it was people who thought they were mocking those who they thought pronounced it <em>something</em> like that... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322247 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:18:57 +0000 gembo 322247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@snowy - how posh were these school pals? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322243 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:12:51 +0000 Snowy 322243@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's great news. Sad that a right of way can't be agreed for the whole route yet. </p> <p>Not sure about the 'Gillan' bit though. Never once heard my school pals refer to it as Gillan. East Lothianers tend to say Gullin with emphasis on the first syllable. But I suspect it's of more interest to people who've moved there :)</p> <p>There are definitely some interesting East Lothian vowels though - like 'warm' being rhymed with 'far' rather than 'war'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322225 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:00 +0000 gembo 322225@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@rosie, yes well done to the campaigners for digging in for the long haul and pushing the council to extend it to Drem </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322224 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:31:48 +0000 Rosie 322224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's certainly the war of micro-attrition. Respect to anyone who gets a success - but it is so heart-breakingly slow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9345&page=2#post-322221 Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:13:44 +0000 gembo 322221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>15 year campaign achieves one mile path built by Cala presumably as part of a sweetener to allow them to build the estate that is one mile from Gullane.pronounced Gillan. </p>