http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Princes St vs George St vs Queen St en Sun, 17 May 2026 14:38:04 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-152392 Wed, 07 May 2014 17:50:17 +0000 gkgk 152392@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@LivD, story says they're widening north pavement, yes.</p> <p>EN-reading driver response in the comments bit is enjoyably muted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-152374 Wed, 07 May 2014 15:38:55 +0000 LivM 152374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One hopes that the pavement will be wider on the north side too, allowing pavement-diners to sit in the sun, not just on the southern side near the cyclists. </p> <p>Although I'd rather sit on the side near the cyclists than the side near the vehicles to eat my lunch-in-the-sun. Perhaps they should knock down some buildings on the south side that are blocking the sun? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-152306 Wed, 07 May 2014 10:54:04 +0000 chdot 152306@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> PLANS to revamp traffic flow in the city centre by creating a one-way system along George Street have been approved. </p> <p>The famous shopping thoroughfare will become one-way for motorists with a lane dedicated to vehicles travelling west to east and a two-way cycle lane on the other side of the street from late July.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/one-way-plan-paves-way-for-george-st-cafe-culture-1-3389829" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/one-way-plan-paves-way-for-george-st-cafe-culture-1-3389829</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114503 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:48:30 +0000 Arellcat 114503@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wingpig, one king: James III, as far as I can determine. There was a Royal Charter in 1477 prohibiting sale of certain livestock. There was also an earlier Queen's Stables, at West Port (itself short for West Portsburgh, but that's another story).</p> <p>Uberuce, it's a more prosaic answer than you were perhaps hoping for. :)</p> <p>South Gyle Farm's buildings once occupied <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=55.934766,-3.298052&amp;spn=0.000983,0.001725&amp;sll=57.746995,-4.687341&amp;sspn=9.382084,19.753418&amp;hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;t=h&amp;z=19&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.934766,-3.298564&amp;panoid=KRgxq04qAfRXjcnecgoFhg&amp;cbp=12,303.41,,0,6.68">all of this set of houses</a>, but the farm access was from South Gyle Road's junction with (now) South Gyle Mains.</p> <p>In the early 1980s when the former Gyle Muir was becoming developed, 'South Gyle' initially referred to the area enclosed by South Gyle Broadway and South Gyle Crescent, and access to there was provided by the eponymous link road.</p> <p>There was of course a North Gyle Farm as well, and it survives albeit in a <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=55.94233,-3.307421&amp;spn=0.001965,0.003449&amp;sll=57.746995,-4.687341&amp;sspn=9.382084,19.753418&amp;hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;t=h&amp;z=18&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.942243,-3.308419&amp;panoid=8NzMJ3RddJp3RWVOwmR3-A&amp;cbp=12,36.28,,0,1.13">heavily rebuilt form</a>. See, it's all actually really interesting. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114500 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:39:13 +0000 Jackson Priest 114500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Similarly, Uberuce, I often ask myself: after what long ago romantic tale of derring-do was Costkea Way named? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114498 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:07:04 +0000 Uberuce 114498@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The quaint historical streetname whose story most intrigues me is South Gyle Access. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114483 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:44:13 +0000 wingpig 114483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How many kings? How many stables? The stable or stables owned by the king or the stable of stables in which king or kings were stabled? The road on which the stables were on or the road of the stables, however many thereof there were? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114481 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:39:41 +0000 steveo 114481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Steveo, no-one's.<br /> </em><br /> Interesting, Thats quite a long way from the estate though. </p> <p>Ok who was Sten :D, if he's not a Viking I'm going to be disappointed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114480 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:39:01 +0000 PS 114480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>While we're rewriting road signs, can we petition for directional road names to re-acquire the definite article?</p> <p>The London Road<br /> The Glasgow Road<br /> The Dalkeith Road<br /> etc </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114478 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:35:25 +0000 Arellcat 114478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Steveo, no-one's. It was actually named after Broom House, which stood for many years where now is the border between Forrester and St Augustine's RC high schools. The house was named for its crop of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broom_(shrub)">broom</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114477 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:33:04 +0000 PS 114477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat I kind of assumed that wasn't your natural voice ;) </p> <p>I've not seen "aught" written down for a while - I'd probably spell it "owt" now :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114475 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:25:32 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 114475@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dudding's Ton was clearly remarkable enough to have an area named after it, but a ton of what??? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114473 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:23:28 +0000 steveo 114473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just whose house is Broom('s) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114472 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:17:40 +0000 kaputnik 114472@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Brunt's Field? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114471 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:57:31 +0000 Arellcat 114471@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@PS, I was quoting CBW's own text. Since the other two thoroughfares aren't known as "George's Street" and "Queen's Street", I would also question the need for an apostrophe after "Princes".</p> <p>Where would it end? Does one live in Queen's Ferry? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114441 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:22:08 +0000 chdot 114441@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>George V</p> <p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/m2wqy49">ed.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.79078!/fileManager/King%27s%20Buildings%20Self%20Guided%20Tour%202010.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114437 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:13:39 +0000 amir 114437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I work at the King's Buildings (not sure of the connection with the King). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114432 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:03:15 +0000 PS 114432@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat On that basis, I'd have thought Princes Street should have no more reason to include an apostrophe than St Giles Street. It's named to honour the princes rather than to indicate that it is "the street of the princes".</p> <p>Thinking of other examples: The King's Road in Chelsea has an apostrophe because it started out as the private road of the king. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=3#post-114419 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:53:26 +0000 kaputnik 114419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had always assumed it was named for two Princes, rather than being the posession of a single Prince. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114413 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:38:02 +0000 Cyclingmollie 114413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The original plans or at least good facsimiles are on display in the <a href="http://www.edinburghmuseums.org.uk/Venues/Museum-of-Edinburgh/Exhibitions/The-New-Town-of-Edinburgh">Museum of Edinburgh</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114411 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:28:52 +0000 Arellcat 114411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Princes St was marked as "South Street" in James Craig's plan. Then such variations as: </p> <p>Prince's St. (Ainslie et al., 1780-1864)</p> <p>Princes St. (Kincaid 1787, Lothian Map 1825, Ordnance Survey 1852)</p> <p>It should in fact be be Princes' Street. According to the research of Charles Boog Watson, "…the intention was to call it St. Giles St. after the patron saint of the city, but when this was told to George III, his narrow stupidity hindered his imagining aught beyond a London slum, and he would have none of it. The name was therefore changed so as to refer to the Royal Princes, the Duke of Rothesay, afterwards George IV, and the Duke of York." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114405 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:58:52 +0000 Blueth 114405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not to mention Council signs for an "alternate" route. Surely there must be an alternative to that? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114398 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:41:15 +0000 kaputnik 114398@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wait.</p> <p>They want to call it Princes's Street? Or Princess' Street?</p> <p>My own employer is officially registered on St. Andrew Square, but most people internally refer to it as St. Andrew's Square. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114383 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:27:17 +0000 Min 114383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow. The council can't even spell "Princes" half the time without adding an extra "s" so I would love to see where the apostrophes' are going to s'tart appearing if this get's through! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-114360 Fri, 14 Jun 2013 06:47:50 +0000 chdot 114360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/bid-to-change-princes-street-name-with-apostrophe-1-2963260" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/bid-to-change-princes-street-name-with-apostrophe-1-2963260</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-112273 Wed, 29 May 2013 22:26:28 +0000 chdot 112273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Strong support for a Princes Street cycle route </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/spwkr13.05.29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/spwkr13.05.29.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-110488 Tue, 14 May 2013 14:14:49 +0000 PS 110488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't see why cars would be displaced onto Abercrombie Place etc while Queen Street exists.</p> <p>Of course, a few permeable road blockings in the New Town would quickly put pay to it being used as a rat run and promote active travel at the same time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-110463 Tue, 14 May 2013 13:06:29 +0000 neddie 110463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The NTBCC letter seems very conservative/anti-change and pro-car.</p> <p>The problem is that the NTBCC still don't get it:</p> <p>You can't just magically woo people out of their cars without reducing road space, even with the best public transport in the world.</p> <p>You <em>have </em>to reduce road space for cars to get people out of their cars, and you have to start <em>somewhere</em>.</p> <p>Yes, some traffic will be displaced to residential streets, but you have to continue and reduce the road space there too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-110456 Tue, 14 May 2013 12:25:53 +0000 chdot 110456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From above link -</p> <p>"<br /> Until far more people are wooed or coerced out of their vehicles – particularly private car users – there is little hope of meaningful improvement.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9355&page=2#post-110454 Tue, 14 May 2013 12:19:02 +0000 SRD 110454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And this from the New Town and Broughton Community Council</p> <p><a href="http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/strong-views-city-centre-vision" rel="nofollow">http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/strong-views-city-centre-vision</a> </p>