http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Back on the QBC en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:20:58 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-378015 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 22:37:05 +0000 Dave 378015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I drove through there the other day by coincidence and noticed that it had been smoothed out. We've now been living away from Newington for over 11 years... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-378013 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 11:08:47 +0000 chdot 378013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As this thread has ‘resurfaced’, some might like to re/read this </p> <p>-</p> <p><a href="http://andrewburns.blogspot.com/2012/12/cycling-boost-for-edinburgh-with-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewburns.blogspot.com/2012/12/cycling-boost-for-edinburgh-with-new.html</a></p> <p>(From <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440#post-103519">upthread</a>) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-378012 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 10:55:59 +0000 chdot 378012@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems the optimum thread for this -</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54219542814_b12ef78eb2_c.jpg"></p> <p><em>Finally </em>(probably) the worst bit of QBC/QBiC has been resurfaced.</p> <p><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54219542644_961dcae1b5_c.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-144880 Sun, 09 Mar 2014 00:09:18 +0000 chdot 144880@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It <em>can </em>be done (not QBC) -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8790026738/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8140/8790026738_e2dbc7b3dd.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-144852 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 16:04:50 +0000 crowriver 144852@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm assuming that the someone referred to was of a view that an ASL in the left filter lane was 'dangerous' and ought to be removed, to avoid cyclists undertaking the left hand side of left turning vehicles/HGVs perhaps?</p> <p>Or maybe it's just a cock up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-144831 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 13:19:45 +0000 chdot 144831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm @justacwab on Twitter"</p> <p>Ah! </p> <p>"stop line isn't dashed at the entry to the ASL box"</p> <p>Yes that is wrong!</p> <p>"The fact that these lights were replaced and the road resurfaced on the 'flagship' bike route without any improvement for cycling (where a left hook risk exists northbound and a traffic light bypass could be added southbound) says a lot about how cycling is viewed by the council."</p> <p>Yes and no. It certainly highlights the lack of joined-up-anything. </p> <p>I presume the lights are replacements and nothing has changed in cycle/sequence(?)</p> <p>The markings <em>have</em> changed and because of filter and parked cars might be worse(?)</p> <p>I have always thought that QBC would have been much more highly regarded if 'details' like the surface at the WPSt junction had been done as part of the project - 'different budget'. </p> <p>"At least the police vaguely clarified that cyclists can enter the stop box even if there's no dashed entry point."</p> <p>Really? When/where?</p> <p>"how hard it is to 'reinstate' existing markings?"</p> <p>Well they haven't, so someone somewhere decided to change things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=3#post-144823 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 12:46:58 +0000 SRD 144823@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>but i don't understand how anyone could paint on the lines like that. were their instructions wrong? are they incompetent? how hard it is to 'reinstate' existing markings? </p> <p>this is really basic stuff. or ought to be </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144821 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 12:33:30 +0000 wingpig 144821@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At least the police vaguely clarified that cyclists can enter the stop box even if there's no dashed entry point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144820 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 12:25:55 +0000 russellelly 144820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My point (I'm @justacwab on Twitter) is that the motorist's stop line isn't dashed at the entry to the ASL box, so crossing the first stop line looks like it's also illegal for bikes (on red), thus making the box even more useless than usual.</p> <p>The fact that these lights were replaced and the road resurfaced on the 'flagship' bike route without any improvement for cycling (where a left hook risk exists northbound and a traffic light bypass could be added southbound) says a lot about how cycling is viewed by the council. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144803 Sat, 08 Mar 2014 02:40:41 +0000 gkgk 144803@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder if they've made any more of that section between Bethany and Franco's double yellow? The filter lane is defunct under parked cars out of restricted hours but the traffic lights still give a green filter arrow at all hours, and cars whisk through the bike lane and bike box, bit unnerving to those standing astride bikes in the box! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144785 Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:22:44 +0000 Roibeard 144785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pity the cycle lane leads the left turning cyclist to a non-existent ASZ...</p> <p>Might be another reason to add Magnatom's <a href="http://www.magnatom.net/2012/01/advanced-stop-lines-spawn-of-satan.html">ASL flowchart</a> - only use the feeder lane if you are absolutely sure there's an ASL at the end of the <strike>rainbow</strike> red brick road.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144777 Fri, 07 Mar 2014 22:06:38 +0000 wingpig 144777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The absence of the island in the middle of the west end of W Preston surprised me when I turned into it this evening almost as much as the flat surface. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-144767 Fri, 07 Mar 2014 21:24:07 +0000 chdot 144767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Latest development -</p> <p>Looking south at West Preston Street -</p> <p>"</p> <p>Just Another Cyclist (@justacwab)<br /> 07/03/2014 14:13<br /> I don't like ASLs, but making them illegal to enter isn't the solution. @CyclingEdin @SpokesLothian @Edinburgh_CC <a href="http://pic.twitter.com/4JU8MMhYYc" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/4JU8MMhYYc</a></p> <p><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2567/12994107284_621b1989eb.jpg"></p> <p>"</p> <p>Previously (Google) -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/12992741455/"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2179/12992741455_8c1881e9da.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-140792 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:32:37 +0000 chdot 140792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/12120766076/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/12120766076_e707b9453e.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/12120766076/">QBC - can you see the nice red chips?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108719 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:24:29 +0000 Roibeard 108719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cc - the bunny-hop northbound isn't actually required, as there is a convenient enough dropped kerb.</p> <p>I know, as I've used that as an escape route where the "elbow cars out of the way" trick wasn't working... At that point, I considered risking an angular approach to the kerb was the lesser risk!</p> <p>Northbound here has always been a bit problematic because of the left filter. You can't continue in the left lane to the straight-on ASL, or rather you do it only once, as there isn't a straight-on ASL!</p> <p>I've seen a few northbound cyclists hooted or forced out of the way for daring to sit in the ASL after the left filter has appeared...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108715 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:46:44 +0000 cc 108715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IIRC there's an awkward wee indication painted on the road that you need to veer left onto the pavement to turn right, or stay on the road if you want to go straight on or turn left.</p> <p>The real joy comes when you get the green cycle coming <em>out</em> of KB. You're meant to cycle across the crossing on West Mains Road, then onto the pavement, then round a tight little blind corner where the pavement is quite narrow, then launch yourself down a ramp onto Mayfield Road. I think only Chinese acrobat trick cyclists and Danny MacAskill would be happy pulling that off. </p> <p>Everyone else cycles out of KB and straight onto Mayfield Road, which means they cut right across the path of people crossing Mayfield Road on the green man, which is awful. </p> <p>Worse, if you're just innocently cycling north on Mayfield Road and come to that junction, the cycle lane plus vehicle lane just before the junction becomes just a narrow vehicle lane after the junction with no cycle lane at all - because that "launch ramp" has been built out into the road where the cycling space was before. So you have to either bunny-hop onto the pavement for a couple of yards before launching back onto the road, or man up and take the lane, elbowing the passing cars and lorries out of the way. Good luck with that.</p> <p>This is one of a couple of places I can think of where the QBC design actually <em>removed</em> cycling space that was there before. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108704 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:40:28 +0000 Roibeard 108704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave - <em>or you can wait for the green bike and ride across then (from wherever you please to wait, I think the idea being that you ride up onto the pavement and go from there).</em></p> <p>I think officially you can't cross the solid white line on each roadway, so you need to go from a footway to use the combined cycle/pedestrian phase, so not quite "from wherever you please to wait". You're therefore not jumping a red light, rather bypassing it, in an an <em>almost</em> Dutch way...</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108698 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:50:10 +0000 Dave 108698@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Until challenged?</p> <p>I've recounted before how annoyed I was to be passed by a cyclist on the pavement near my old work. I eventually learned that this (3 feet wide) bit of pavement is actually a full blown two way cycle path plus busy walkway. Fife style!</p> <p>The system is breaking down, basically. The thin end of the wedge has become the thick, etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108691 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:20:07 +0000 bdellar 108691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are a few junctions which allow you to cross onto pavement (Fountainbridge/Gardners Crescent, McDonald Road/Bonnington Road) with no markings on the pavement at all. So you ride across, get to a pavement, but... Then what?? Are you then allowed to ride on the pavement? For how long? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108684 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:07:01 +0000 Dave 108684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You can either turn right as you did (but not if you're in a car - the KB shuttle bus goes this way however) or you can wait for the green bike and ride across then (from wherever you please to wait, I think the idea being that you ride up onto the pavement and go from there). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108673 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:26:36 +0000 Uberuce 108673@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That is Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108666 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:29:42 +0000 PS 108666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I didn't get round to commenting on here, but I had my first experience of the QBC a few weeks ago when I went for a spin between Arthur's Seat and Observatory Hill a few weeks ago. </p> <p>I joined a Salisbury Place and rolled south. For the entire length it was all a bit "meh" - some decent on-road cyclepath, with the opportunity to use ASLs at points (IIRC, I chose not to due to paucity of queues), the cycle lane largely observed but at one point occupied by a plumber's van as they took out someone's bathroom suite, some nice surfaces, a hint of red stone showing through, but nowhere near enough to be obvious in anything but the driest and brightest conditions (and when you were specifically looking out for it).</p> <p>However, the real WTF moment came at the King's Buildings junction where I wanted to turn right into West Mains Road. </p> <p>I must have missed whatever indication there is for what you're supposed to do (is it head onto the pavement on the left and wait for the lights to change to go across diagonally?) because I ended up in the usual turning right position in the middle of the junction but suddenly felt very exposed. I guess it was something to do with the road markings, but it suddenly felt unsafe to be standing in the junction space between two streams of cars. I'm normally reasonably comfortable waiting for a gap in the oncoming traffic, but this felt wrong.</p> <p>Can anyone enlighten me as to what is going on at this junction? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108654 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:26:54 +0000 cc 108654@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@AKen or during the day (lots of parked cars and vans in the cycle lanes) or during the rush hour (lots of parked cars and vans in the cycle lanes, except when the leader of the council is cycling with you). And then there's the large stretches without any cycle lanes, and the invisibility of the lanes to drivers, and, but we won't go into those. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108653 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:24:59 +0000 AKen 108653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I could only get two. There was a van parked on the rest. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108651 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:19:00 +0000 chdot 108651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't you mean 'having six chips is better than five'? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108649 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:17:01 +0000 AKen 108649@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It <em>is</em> better - in the same way that having two chips for your dinner is better than having one chip.</p> <p>Just don't expect to be able to use it on a Sunday, or in the evening or, indeed, early in the morning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-108634 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:27:41 +0000 chdot 108634@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Over 75% of respondents thought the Quality Bike Corridor [QBiC] had improved cycling conditions – but the great majority of those felt that it could have been a lot better.<br /> "</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/04/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/04/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-103813 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:17:19 +0000 mgj 103813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot Nice DS Safari though in your pic. Dont know that one; might be the Fruitmarket Gallery director's car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-103694 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:41:08 +0000 chdot 103694@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Theo (@earthowned)<br /> 10/03/2013 19:42<br /> @LAHinds @greenerleith It will be sad if Leith Walk is designed anything like the QBC.</p> <p>"</p> <p>"</p> <p>Lesley Hinds (@LAHinds)<br /> 10/03/2013 20:18<br /> @earthowned agreed</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9440&page=2#post-103604 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:16:21 +0000 chdot 103604@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile this is how Edinburgh does road closures -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8545841946/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8103/8545841946_11004129ea.jpg"></a></p> <p>P.s. it's tram legacy. </p>