http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Bike Racks Removed at Asda Chesser en Tue, 26 May 2026 10:56:04 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=3#post-126820 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 19:15:37 +0000 cc 126820@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and they've been promising more for, what, the last year? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=3#post-126797 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:50:08 +0000 wingpig 126797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not good grief. A "triangular" rack (where one side of the triangle is "parallel" to the floor) then "some" bicycle "frames", when leant "against" the triangular rack, will only have what is reasonably referrable-to as a "teeny weeny" area of contact between frame and stand. When combined with a "sloping" mounting-surface (e.g. Sainsbury Meadowbank) and/or members perpendicular to the axes of the stands along the ground (by which the stand is thereto attached (which, as kaputnik noted, are often placed where wheels need to touch the ground and create the effect of a sloping surface, though owners of different bicycles may conversely find that these floor-bolted pieces act as chocks to prevent forward/backward bicycle movement)) the likelihood is increased of a bicycle rolling/slipping forwards or backwards sufficiently for the point of contact between rack and frame to no longer be at a point where the bicycle is balanced, resulting in this "pivoting around" of which you are clearly aware. I often find it helpful to remember that most people do not have cargo bikes fitted with twin-pronged stands. In order for the single-prong kickstand on my sparebike to be useful the handlebars have to be angled such that the front wheel is perpendicular to the frame, an arrangement often incompatible with closely-nestled racks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=3#post-126792 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:05:49 +0000 crowriver 126792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, and I like kappers' hierarchy of bike racks. I'd put the bike hoops and the "triangles" at about the same level: both can have issues with bikes slipping/falling over/pivoting around. Bike stability depends a lot on the type of lock used, and where on the frame/stand it is secured. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126791 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 16:01:01 +0000 cb 126791@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MMDV.</p> <p>The other point about the stands at Waitrose, Morningside is that there could really be more of them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126789 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:57:42 +0000 crowriver 126789@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh good grief. </p> <p>Perhaps I did not make myself clear. Leaning a bike against a Sheffield/Edinburgh stand when the bike is heavily loaded can still be highly unstable, as the front forks tend to pivot and the bike can swing away from the stand. If your bike is very heavily loaded and you have no kickstand, it is preferable to lean against a wall where the handlebars can act to stabilise the whole shebang.</p> <p>As to the central kickstand, by that I meant a bipedal one, I should have been clearer. Like this:</p> <p><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ZuYBvzvwL._SY300_.jpg"></p> <p>Then, if you balance your load well enough, you don't need to lean your bike against anything. Though if you have panniers/basket at the front, it's a good idea to steady the bars with one hand, or at least install a steering stabiliser like this:</p> <p><img src="http://www.hebie.de/uploads/tx_zbuphebieprod/696_01.gif"></p> <p>Personally, I've had no problems with the "triangle" stand design. Used with various bikes including the Ute, Raleigh tourer, wee foldy bike, Globe hybrid. YMMV. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126785 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:36:29 +0000 Colonies_Chris 126785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Waitrose Comely Bank say the racks were removed by the Council, and that they will be replaced 'soon' with better ones (Sheffields, I hope, rather than the old wheelbenders). Why the Council would remove them and not install replacements, when at pretty much the same time they were installing new racks just along the road in Stockbridge, is an unfathomable mystery of course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126606 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:46:49 +0000 wingpig 126606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Both my bikes (with and without kickstands) are capable of falling over when attached to any of the Sainsbury Meadowbank/Tesco Cannonmills/Waitrose Morningside triangleracks, occasionally taking out a bottle cage on their way down. The other week I had to help someone extract their bike from the Sainsbury rack after it fell over and wedged itself tightly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126603 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:38:57 +0000 Min 126603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The "triangles" work fine to secure most designs of bike frame with a lock.</em></p> <p>They don't work fine with mine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126585 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:24:36 +0000 SRD 126585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"very specifically about when a bike is heavily loaded "</p> <p>as would be expected at a grocery store! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126584 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:22:36 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 126584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Said nothing about triangles (though as you say, I'd still prefer Sheffield stands), but rather the comparison between Sheffields and kickstands in response to, "<em>I think if using bikes to carry heavy loads then a central kickstand is better than leaning against a bike rack, whatever the design</em>" which made no differentiation between stand designs, and was very specifically about when a bike is heavily loaded and not about being 'adequate for most trips'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126583 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:21:41 +0000 kaputnik 126583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>but "triangles" will do for most trips</em><br /> Even an unloaded bike will flop over on them. I also dislike any rack where the indidivual stands are held together by a pair of paralell bars bolted across the ground, as they invariably set at precisely the wrong distance and in the wrong position relative to the stands to allow you to position the wheels ont he ground and lock the bike easily.</p> <p>You wouldn't design a triangular parking space, so why do companies insist on trying to tinker with what just needs to be a basic, rectilinear hoop of steel!?</p> <p>The hierarchy of Bike Racks (feel free to improve it)</p> <p>"Edinburgh" stand<br /> ▼<br /> Sheffield stand<br /> ▼<br /> Bikehoop<br /> ▼<br /> Triangular stand<br /> ▼<br /> Other artistic interpretations of a stand (the ones at Dobbies))<br /> ▼<br /> Those wierd double-deck, slidy things at Waverley Station<br /> ▼<br /> Lamp post<br /> ▼<br /> Scottish Parliament arty loop things<br /> ▼<br /> Wheelbender / wheel slot </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126575 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:05:50 +0000 crowriver 126575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@WC, it all depends what one sees the function of bike stands being. The "triangles" work fine to secure most designs of bike frame with a lock. So in that sense "adequate". One can argue Sheffield stands are better, give more locking options, are nicer to lean one's bike against while loading panniers/child seats, etc. Yes, but it doesn't make the "triangle" stands "inadequate" for the primary purpose: locking one's bike so no-one "consumes" it for free while one is being a good consumer in the supermarché.</p> <p>I'd rather have "triangles" than "wheelbenders". Sheffield stands would be nice and should be encouraged, but "triangles" will do for most trips. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126569 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:58:19 +0000 Colonies_Chris 126569@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cc: I got this reply a few days ago from Waitrose Customer Sales and Support (after I had chased them for a reply).</p> <p>----<br /> I chased your query with the Comely Bank Branch today. They confirmed that the bike racks had been moved in order for us to install the new Garden and Plant point of sale.</p> <p>The branch intend to replace the bike racks near the front of the store but they need to do this in conjunction with the council. At this point in time we do not have a date for when they will be installed however next time your are in the branch our partners will be happy to answer any questions that you may have regarding this issue.</p> <p>Thank you again for patience and we look forward to seeing you in the Comely Bank branch in the near future.<br /> ----</p> <p>So basically no information. And no explanation of why it needs to be done "in conjunction with the Council". Seems rather unlikely to me. Next time I go by there I'll speak to them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126556 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:36:39 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 126556@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Meanwhile, the unnecessary shelter (bikes are waterproof, you know) has been renewed</em>"</p> <p>Have to say, I'd rather my bike was covered. Waterproof it may be, and I might be about to cycle out into that rain, but while locking/unlocking/loading the bike, it's much much nicer to do under cover if it's tipping down and/or blowing a gale.</p> <p>"<em>@SRD, point taken, but I think if using bikes to carry heavy loads then a central kickstand is better than leaning against a bike rack, whatever the design.</em>"</p> <p>Having seen a number of kickstanded bikes topple over in the past I'm not 100% convinced of this. A loaded bike will ahve the weight heavy, and the kickstand is at a low point on the bike, whereas a <em>good</em> Sheffield stand gives a nice height of top bar to lean against (and by preference also has a lower horizontal bar for additional locking, and to take account of bikes that aren't the <em>standard</em> shape).</p> <p>Thing is, not everyone is going to have a kickstand, in fact the grand majority probably don't, and rather than try to convince people that they should all get a kickstand to go to the shops, it's far far easier to put some decent stands in that mean everyone, no matter how their bike is equipped, can go to the shops. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126551 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:14:15 +0000 crowriver 126551@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD, point taken, but I think if using bikes to carry heavy loads then a central kickstand is better than leaning against a bike rack, whatever the design. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126522 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:30:52 +0000 SRD 126522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ crowriver - these are particularly useless for bikes with panniers, childseats etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126521 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:57:44 +0000 kaputnik 126521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>An "adequate" triangle would look like a Sheffield Stand. I.e. not a triangle! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126509 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:55:42 +0000 crowriver 126509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I haven't experienced these "inadequate triangles" yet (what would an "adequate triangle look/feel like?): are they like the "triangle" racks at Sinsberries Meadowbank? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126500 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:50:00 +0000 cc 126500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Talking of Waitrose, it's surely quite a few months since Waitrose promised imminent new racks for its Morningside branch. They haven't appeared, there are still just the same old inadequate little triangles.</p> <p>It must also be several months since Waitrose promised the imminent arrival of splendid new bike racks beside its Comely Bank branch, and on the strength of this covered up all the existing bike racks. All these months later the new racks still haven't appeared, so there are no racks there at all and haven't been for months. For lack of a better alternative, shoppers here tend to lock their bikes to the pedestrian handrails on the ramps up to the door - hardly a good idea for infirm people who depend on the handrails I'd have thought, or for wheel chair or buggy users who won't want the width of the already narrow ramps reduced by parked bikes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-126489 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:31:35 +0000 kaputnik 126489@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/sites/broughtonspurtle.org.uk/files/Spurtle%20222.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/sites/broughtonspurtle.org.uk/files/Spurtle%20222.pdf</a><br /> Latest Spurtle, bottom of first page;</p> <p><em>Following the Broughton Rd Tesco’s recent upgrade, regular cyclist customers are baffled as to why the awful and inadequate cycle parking has not been upgraded along with everything else, writes Tim Smith.</p> <p>The triangular bike racks give poor support, are too few and too close together. The three ridiculous end-on<br /> racks are virtually unusable (Issue 206), as was pointed out to Tesco management immediately they were installed – though to no effect.</p> <p>Meanwhile, the unnecessary shelter (bikes are waterproof, you know) has been renewed, although with scarcely a true<br /> TESCO NOT THINKING STRAIGHT vertical to be seen.</em></p> <p>Racks similar to the crummy ones favoured by Waitrose. Wonder who it is selling duff racks to Edinburgh supermarkets? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-125073 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:23:04 +0000 splitshift 125073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>re the place at chesser. I work for a large retail company, with large green lorries, in the chesser area................ speak again to managers,and get community groups to put pressure on them , nicely ! They love all that part of the community stuff ! (obvious really, they are such a nice company, just check out some of the films made about them in the states !) Play them clever and you can get NEARLY anything you want out of them ! I know Ive done it for other community groups ! If you want more info, pm me.Just remember were not supposed to talk about our company too much ! so ittle need to be private! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-125018 Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:21:05 +0000 Dunny 125018@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo - both of those would be very handy for me, a mate of mine recently told me you used to be able to get through the graveyard too.</p> <p>There is however a few stepping stones across the river that take you into the Booker carpark, just after the ramp. I sat and watched a couple of guys the other day cross it, only one foot went in the drink! We will just have to settle for that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-125017 Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:19:57 +0000 kaputnik 125017@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>they've got two electric car charging parking spaces</em></p> <p>I wonder if Sainsburys will use them to store excess trolleys in, just like many supermarkets do with bike racks! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-125014 Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:11:14 +0000 gembo 125014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@dunny, the wee bridge I was after would be handy for you.</p> <p>In the old days you could cycle through the graveyard and I also seem to recollect you could get under the side of the bridge / ramp over to the industrial estate off the A 71/ Gorgie road </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-125009 Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:57:01 +0000 Dunny 125009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I live just off the WoL path there, just after the graveyard. I don't know why but Dunnyette and I took a walk over to this new Sainsburys the day after it opened, it looked amazing.</p> <p>Of course, inside it is just another Sainsburys. Disappointed big time, though I can't work out why! The best part about it for me is the extra light you get from the car park shining across the river, lighting up the path a bit more than before. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-124887 Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:35:04 +0000 gembo 124887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@eddie-h</p> <p>If they built another supermarket on the old Asda site that would make 4 supermarkets in the longstone hutchisons X road area where the use to be one. And no DIY stores where there used to be two </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-124879 Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:56:47 +0000 steveo 124879@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was in the other day, they've got more bike racks at that sainsbury's than all the other supermarkets in Edinburgh put together. Gets my vote.</p> <p>Plus should I ever get an electric car I'll have somewhere to charge it, they've got two electric car charging parking spaces. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-124876 Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:00:08 +0000 neddie 124876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"""<br /> <em>as part of the new Sainsbury’s development on Inglis Green Road, the Council received a developer contribution of £20,000 to undertake a bridge survey and feasibility design for a new foot/cycle bridge from the supermarket car park to the north side of the Water of Leith, adjacent to New Mart Road</em><br /> """</p> <p>and</p> <p>"""<br /> developer contributions are likely to be obtained from the sites at the Fruitmarket and old Asda sites – it was mentioned that these sites may be combined and a supermarket, housing and nursing home built<br /> """ </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-124836 Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:05:32 +0000 SRD 124836@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MrSRD checked it out and apparently parked miles away only to get to the entrance and see cycle parking conveniently located right next to it! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9543&page=2#post-124831 Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:45:13 +0000 gembo 124831@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Clever car park there under the store but kind of ground level as they have used the slope. I was hoping for a wee footbridge/ cycle bridge over the water.</p> <p>My wife has not been in a supermarket for the weekly shopping for at least four years and she is talking of paying it a visit??? </p>