http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Holyrood Park Petition is Online en Thu, 09 Apr 2026 20:55:56 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-110435 Tue, 14 May 2013 09:54:12 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 110435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah well, needed 500 signatures, got.... 171.</p> <p>Petition is closed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-106821 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:34:58 +0000 PS 106821@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We fear change. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-106815 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:13:31 +0000 neddie 106815@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Amusing reading that hillwalker forum thread, if depressing. What a bunch of conservative, self-centred jerks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-106767 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:15:50 +0000 crowriver 106767@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I fitted a rear child seat to the tandem yesterday. Tested it out today with No.2 daughter on the back, with and without No.1 son as stoker. Handled fine on the move, bit of a tricky balancing act sometimes at traffic lights...</p> <p>Anyway the point is I went through Holyrood Park twice today. Latest occasion all three of us were riding, and we topped 50kph on the descent down Queen's Drive heading east. (That's 31mph in old money).</p> <p>As we passed over the speed strips, one of the front mudguard stays rattled loose from the fork eyelet (so called safety feature) so I had to pick a spot to pull over further down, and slot it back in to the holder. </p> <p>As I did so (having signalled), a black Range Rover which had been behind us pulled alongside, window open, holding up the rest of the traffic as he did so. Driver looked across at me and shouted "Cycle path!" and pointed to the green shared use on the other side of the road. </p> <p>Now what I should have said was "Motorway!" and pointed behind me in the general direction of the M8. Instead I started a defensive "It's perfectly legal for me to cycle here.....blah blah" as he pulled away. Half a dozen roadies in full lycra passed us during this altercation (my sone said 'Look! It's Bradley Wiggins!" at one chap in a maillot jaune).</p> <p>Note, I was doing 50kph before slowing and pulling over. There's no way I could be holding anyone up as that is the speed limit on that bit of road. As if I would be safer doing that speed on the shared use path, what with the joggers, ramblers dog walkers, lost tourists, et al. </p> <p>Some drivers are just arrogant knobs. There's clearly a strong sense of entitlement to race around the park without cyclists "holding up traffic" too.</p> <p>Makes me think a driving ban must come sooner rather than later. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105503 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:28:55 +0000 Arellcat 105503@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If 'cheating' were the case I would have expected it to reach the 500-vote threshold before now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105501 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:09:46 +0000 Instography 105501@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I could be arsed I'd sign up and defend my right to have an opinion on what happens in the place where I spend all of my working days and a good chunk of my leisure and fair bit of my income, where I run a business that sustains 170 jobs blah blah blah. I'd object very strongly to the Council restricting opinions about our proud nation's capital, national landmarks and elements of the world's heritage to residents, a significant proportion of whom don't even pay local taxes never mind national taxes. Yaddah, yaddah. </p> <p>But I can't be bothered. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105499 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:43:18 +0000 minus six 105499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>munro baggers are mainly just keen motorists with a secondary hobby of sloping up the hill with a day pack after they've made it to the glorious car park</p> <p>nothing more tiresome than bumping into fleets of these domestic ramblers when stravaiging out in the field </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105493 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:20:33 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 105493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah well, I tried to be nice. But 'not condoning' cheating on the petition wasn't enough - I had to 'condemn' it. Not that I can do anything about it, nor control anyone on here (the Princes Street thread is good evidence of that!).</p> <p>It'll be interesting to see if the petition gets pulled on that basis (get the feeling someone from that forum has objected to the council) - if it does then I think every single petition could be up for withdrawal!</p> <p>Life's too short - I'd rather argue with people I know here.</p> <p>@Dave - I did think about putting a link on to my Law Society entry, but thought better of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105456 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:29:59 +0000 Dave 105456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A number of the characters on the ukhillwalking.com forum seem desperately sad. Not the sort of people I'd want to meet while ticking off my round. What a pity!</p> <p>I absolutely loved the moment when one weirdo (not posting under his given name) demanded to know your given name. Their frantic scrabble for some purchase ad hominem is most unattractive.</p> <p>Don't engage with them. It's obvious that it will go nowhere.</p> <p>Anth - you forgot to provide your office contact details, BTW. They won't like that. What hidden interests could you be concealing? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105446 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:41:05 +0000 steveo 105446@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A whole group of unpleasant people, though there is something about the 'bagger mind set which grates on me. WC your response very measure, Crowriver i'd have dropped out way, way earlier than you! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105439 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:43:17 +0000 Darkerside 105439@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I believe one of the chief complaints was that you weren't suitably hounded for this odious crime.</p> <p>Instography. You are a very naughty person. Maybe.</p> <p>That should cover it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105436 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:32:15 +0000 Instography 105436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suppose there's no reason to think that hill walkers should be different to anyone else on a subject outside their immediate interest. I remember having long (you'll be surprised) arguments about mountain biking, the gist of which was that hillwalker friend wanted mountain bikes off any hills because, well, just because, because hillwalkers were there first and it was, well, their hill and mountain bikes just went faster and churned up the path. I could concede a little on the path-churning but it was the fundamental sense of prior ownership that grated. Not that I'm in the least interested in mountain biking.</p> <p>Anyway, sorry to have given them a hook with my story getting around the limits of the petition. Not that I'm sorry about actually doing it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105433 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:20:34 +0000 Darkerside 105433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Blimey, there's some real unpleasantness on that walking forum along with a lovely US government-like fascination with real names. Charming.</p> <p>Think I'll stick to walkhighlands, myself... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105427 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:47:04 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 105427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Also no hearses without prior permission.</em>"</p> <p>Really? I was passed by one heading in there yesterday. Nowt in the back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105423 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:44:46 +0000 gembo 105423@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@insto good link</p> <p>I have a pal who years back was fined for driving a van he had hired through the park. I thought he was moving house and I thought he should have appealed BUT he may have been shifting his band's musical equipment and therefore subject to the fine. Also no hearses without prior permission. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105418 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:12:05 +0000 Instography 105418@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A source for the traffic volumes</p> <p><a href="http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/faqs-traffic-regs-holyrood.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/faqs-traffic-regs-holyrood.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105415 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:50:42 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 105415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah well, I registered and posted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105412 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:23:25 +0000 LaidBack 105412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The hillwalker forum is very car centric... not surprising as hill walking in Scotland is difficult without owning a car (as is skiing). </p> <p>Some comments seems to be similar in tone to the EEN comments page.</p> <p><em>if people want to walk or cycle they should go and drive somewhere suitable - preferably somewhere they won't cause traffic congestion. </em></p> <p>I did post on to people via FB. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=3#post-105410 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:04:23 +0000 chdot 105410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Didn't read past this -</p> <p>"</p> <p>In reply to crowriver: But that's my nice drive home! where else can you drive past such a beautiful hill and be in a city. I don't see the conflict personally.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-105405 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:32:37 +0000 crowriver 105405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We're up to 144 signatures. Still a long way to go, need more.</p> <p>I've been promoting the petition around the place, and getting quite vociferous criticism/opposition from some people, who seem to be outraged by the very idea of closing the park to rat runners. </p> <p>It seemed like a good idea at the time, but now I see I've stirred a hornet's nest by posting on the UKHillwalking forum. A few supportive and/or sympathetic messages, but most of the folk replying on that forum are implacably opposed. It's starting to get a bit nasty even. Folk are also digging around the internet to try and find out more about me (presumably for ammunition for further ad hominem attacks), and they have also found this discussion thread. </p> <p>As a result, one poster opposed to the petition is making accusations of "falsification" of signatures on the petition, and encouraging others to write to the Council to complain.</p> <p>See here: <a href="http://www.ukhillwalking.com/forums/t.php?t=542767" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukhillwalking.com/forums/t.php?t=542767</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-105039 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:29:46 +0000 crowriver 105039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Total signatories 139</p> <p>I've been trying a few forums for hillwalkers and so on. If anyone can think of other places to share the link to the petition, please feel free to do so. Pedestrian forums or bloggers? Maybe more mainstream cycling forums like cyclechat? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104905 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:12:16 +0000 minus six 104905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Done, with the usual Fife / Edinburgh grumbles</p> <p>" <em>I would, however, like a cycle lane on Queensferry Road</em> "</p> <p>The day that this transpires, would be the day that i take City of Edinburgh Council seriously on cycling matters </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104885 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:24:07 +0000 crowriver 104885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Total signatories 122</p> <p>Must be a manual update, work days only.</p> <p>Only another 380 signatures or so required! Please spread the word if you can. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104788 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:12:06 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 104788@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Not totally happy with wording - only for kids with 'new bikes'? What about all of the kids who get s/h clunkers or build their own.</em>"</p> <p>That's not the wording of the petition - it's what Historic Scotland said was good about the park being closed for the festive period (because some kids will have got new bikes for Christmas). The petition is in no way suggesting kids can only take new bikes there, but is rather saying that the park should be safe all year round, whereas Historic Scotland is saying it only needs to be safe at that festive period. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104753 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:49:44 +0000 chdot 104753@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If the Petitions Committe in Council do discuss traffic in Holyrood Park, this can form a springboard for petitioning the Parliament"</p> <p>Makes sense. </p> <p>I was a bit surprised that CEC accepted the petition. </p> <p>But it has. </p> <p>Just needs the signatures... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104752 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:44:48 +0000 crowriver 104752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, yes I've subsequently discovered, thanks to some feedback and advice from Spokes, that the TRO for the park is amended via a Statutory Instrument, secondary legislation from the Scottish Parliament.</p> <p>I still think that raising a discussion at Council level will be useful. The park is in Edinburgh, after all. Apart from anything else, the number of signatures needed to force a debate is much lower than the threshold for the Parliament. </p> <p>If the Petitions Committe in Council do discuss traffic in Holyrood Park, this can form a springboard for petitioning the Parliament, which will need more widespread support, and may require different wording too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104750 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:08:44 +0000 Tulyar 104750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glad I have a long term 'landlady' and a flat in Edinburgh. One more vote. </p> <p>Not totally happy with wording - only for kids with 'new bikes'? What about all of the kids who get s/h clunkers or build their own.</p> <p>Best to start with every Sunday and then every weekend then starting on Friday afternoons .....etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104745 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:35:05 +0000 gembo 104745@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still says 54, maybe needs a manualupdate </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104737 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:16:03 +0000 chdot 104737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Lizzie Rynne (@CityCycling)<br /> 16/03/2013 22:26<br /> @CyclingEdin think we need to clarify the issue re TROs in Holyroodpk. Enforcement is down to CEC, HS and LBP. Revision is down to ScotParl.</p> <p>"</p> <p>Profile -</p> <p>"<br /> Cycling? Lost my way in six years of remote rural living and now back in city to find myself again. Urban Planning, Transport Policy, Outdoor Access. With Bike.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9697&page=2#post-104721 Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:21:56 +0000 crowriver 104721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, it's a bit random like that. Maybe try again tomorrow and see what it says? I noticed something similar with the Princes Street petition... </p>