http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Edinburgh-Glasgow rail link faces three-year delay" en Tue, 19 May 2026 14:42:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-309231 Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:38:24 +0000 chdot 309231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>“Highlanders, islanders, lowlanders in the south of Scotland need to work pretty hard to get their voices heard in Parliament, which is still dominated by ‘how quickly is the Glasgow to Edinburgh train running today?’” </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-outside-the-central-belt-failed-by-devolution-1-4952620" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-outside-the-central-belt-failed-by-devolution-1-4952620</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-298287 Sun, 23 Dec 2018 16:14:29 +0000 crowriver 298287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In other news from the same publisher, £1 billion to shave a few minutes off the drive between Blackdog and Peterculter: a distance of 20 miles. About £50 million per mile (that's 63% of the entire annual budget for active travel). Glasgow-Edinburgh rail is a more modest £19 million per mile (24% of the active travel budget). </p> <p><a href="https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeenshire/1625474/anger-over-1-billion-cost-of-aberdeen-bypass/" rel="nofollow">https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeenshire/1625474/anger-over-1-billion-cost-of-aberdeen-bypass/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-298266 Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:29:20 +0000 chdot 298266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/870m-to-cut-10-minutes-off-cross-country-train-trip/" rel="nofollow">https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/870m-to-cut-10-minutes-off-cross-country-train-trip/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-288210 Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:23:44 +0000 chdot 288210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Today we're running a fully electric, full capacity service on the Edinburgh - Glasgow line! This is a major milestone in our commitment to increase capacity, improve journey times and lower our carbon footprint with cleaner, greener trains. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/1024571460252315648" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/scotrail/status/1024571460252315648</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-287955 Mon, 30 Jul 2018 09:38:34 +0000 steveo 287955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw what I think was the new 385 coupled to a 334 this morning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-287665 Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:20:17 +0000 crowriver 287665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was lucky to ride on the first of ScotRail's new class 385 trains today. Fantastic. Quiet, air conditioned comfort. C21 rail travel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-287443 Mon, 23 Jul 2018 10:34:19 +0000 chdot 287443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/HitachiRailEU/status/1021307056001900544" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/HitachiRailEU/status/1021307056001900544</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-287429 Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:30:49 +0000 chdot 287429@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/long-delayed-new-scotrail-trains-to-debut-on-tuesday-1-4771917" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/long-delayed-new-scotrail-trains-to-debut-on-tuesday-1-4771917</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-284321 Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:45:16 +0000 chdot 284321@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>ScotRail leases more trains for busiest routes </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44383723" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44383723</a></p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_365" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_365</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-283772 Fri, 01 Jun 2018 07:04:40 +0000 steveo 283772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sooner these get rolled out the better, ugly as they are the 380s on loan are much quieter than even than the 334.</p> <p>I caught the train to Blair Atholl on Wednesday back Thursday, all four trains were very busy. Up was pretty bad, back I stood from Pitlochry to Perth on a 158 turbobus, two car set both completely full with every spare space taken by suitcases. Glad I was on foot no way the conductor would have let a bike on. The sooner Scotrail can cascade the EDB GLQ units the better. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-283770 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:41:00 +0000 crowriver 283770@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I notice First Class has been done "properly" (or at least differently from the TurboStars). The passengers have their own door to the platform now, so they don't have to rub shoulders with the plebs while making their way to their seats. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-283768 Thu, 31 May 2018 23:13:46 +0000 neddie 283768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It looks like a Proboscis Monkey!</p> <p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proboscis_monkey</a></p> <p>I hope that doesn't breach rule 1 - personal insults towards trains and/or monkeys </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=5#post-283752 Thu, 31 May 2018 22:33:02 +0000 chdot 283752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well this is outstandingly ugly.</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/robert_drysdale/status/1002170972286439424" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/robert_drysdale/status/1002170972286439424</a></p> <p>The corridor connection must negate any streamlining effect of the curved windows! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-282750 Thu, 17 May 2018 09:33:29 +0000 chdot 282750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/japan-train-departs-25-seconds-early-company-apologises-for-truly-inexcusable-mistake" rel="nofollow">https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/japan-train-departs-25-seconds-early-company-apologises-for-truly-inexcusable-mistake</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-282355 Fri, 11 May 2018 13:08:47 +0000 chdot 282355@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/alastairdalton/status/994903168776622080?s=21" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/alastairdalton/status/994903168776622080?s=21</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-281667 Wed, 02 May 2018 11:36:03 +0000 Tulyar 281667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Word also that the HST work on Scotrail sets will not be ready in time. Options here could be to run the services with non-improved trains retired from GWR.</p> <p>365's conveniently have 100mph capability but possibly reduced acceleration &amp; slower doors. 4 coach units, might have limited choice of platforms at GLQ (7, 6 &amp; 2?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-281597 Tue, 01 May 2018 15:01:52 +0000 chdot 281597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Three Class 365s have been leased by ScotRail, with more to follow. They will be used on an interim basis on the Edinburgh-Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk High route while windscreen modifications are made to Class 385s. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/scotrail-hires-in-class-365s-for-glasgow-edinburgh-route" rel="nofollow">https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/scotrail-hires-in-class-365s-for-glasgow-edinburgh-route</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275989 Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:00:58 +0000 chdot 275989@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Mind the Gap: Are Scotland's Trains Fit for the 21st Century is on BBC One Scotland at 19:30 on Monday 26 February. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43142838" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43142838</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275488 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:27:34 +0000 chdot 275488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Mind the Gap: Are Scotland's Trains Fit for the 21st Century </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09t08b0" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09t08b0</a></p> <p>Next Monday. </p> <p>Trailer says “there isn’t a spare diesel train in the whole of the UK”.</p> <p>(So this -</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/profscottthinks/status/964388086380548099" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/profscottthinks/status/964388086380548099</a></p> <p>is just party politicking.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275435 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:26:25 +0000 chdot 275435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“Not sure where the £60m figure comes from”</p> <p>Thin air?</p> <p>The same place as ‘this development will create x,000 jobs and add £yM to the economy’ (ignoring the disbenefits and job losses elsewhere). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275431 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:00:59 +0000 Morningsider 275431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot - odd then that the Final Business Case for EGIP shows that Phase 1 (4 electric trains per hour, and now all that is now likely to be delivered) has a cost benefit ratio of 0.7, or 0.8 if you include "wider economic benefits". This means the project costs more to build than the economic benefits it provides - somewhere between £128m and £231m. </p> <p>These figures are based on EGIP costing £742m - it is now way over budget, meaning the economic benefits are probably even worse than predicted.</p> <p>Not sure where the £60m figure comes from - but it would not seem to be applicable to the actual EGIP project.</p> <p>Details: <a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/33804/egip-fbc_-publically-available-version_27012014.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/33804/egip-fbc_-publically-available-version_27012014.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275427 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:16:31 +0000 Ed1 275427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A minute could be saved by taking the barriers out, or taking some of those shops out that impede the pedestrian flow, or for some putting the taxi rank back in. The station has turned in to a bit of an airport with many shops, barriers, and artificially created congestion (of people). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275421 Mon, 19 Feb 2018 09:27:04 +0000 chdot 275421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Does anyone else believe this?</p> <p>“</p> <p>Ministers have said in the past the line is so important that cutting a minute off the journey would boost the economy by £60 million.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/railway-chief-targets-edinburgh-glasgow-in-39-minutes-1-4691005" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/railway-chief-targets-edinburgh-glasgow-in-39-minutes-1-4691005</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275342 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:14:42 +0000 acsimpson 275342@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The big diesel called Valiant was still running the clockwise route this evening. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275320 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:59:09 +0000 steveo 275320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>They are a lot quieter than the big diesels which they were using previously for that service.<br /> </em></p> <p>I think I'll miss them when they're gone. My wife thought it was an aircraft one morning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275315 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:33:47 +0000 crowriver 275315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"seem to have forgotten to include 2 car stopping points."</p> <p>Perhaps the class 158s will finally be got rid of? We can but hope... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275312 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:25:50 +0000 acsimpson 275312@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I saw one of the new HSTs on the Fife line this morning. They look good in their new livery despite there being no attempt to hide where they came from:</p> <p><a href="https://imgur.com/ijKrfSY"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/ijKrfSY.png"></a></p> <p>They are a lot quieter than the big diesels which they were using previously for that service.</p> <p>I do wonder how much benefit they give for the Fife line though when a 6 car train ends up being only 3.5 carriages after you remove 2 engines and half a buffet car.</p> <p>They have also changed all the platform stopping signs to include the HSTs although seem to have forgotten to include 2 car stopping points. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275270 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:32:05 +0000 Arellcat 275270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@cb, in an issue of <em>RAIL</em> magazine a year or two ago they had a great in-depth piece about Beattock and Shap, and the speeding up of rolling stock from steam to diesel to electrics. They made the same point, that the 390s, and the 87s before them, have so much power to bring to bear on the gradients that they are having to brake up the hill.</p> <p>I don't buy the magazine very often because it's £6 or something now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275265 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:55:31 +0000 crowriver 275265@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fiascos like this just go to show that the way the railways were privatised remains an utter shambles. Presumable these class 170 units were due to "cascade" somewhere else (Northern Rail?) but if Scotrail actually owned the rolling stock rather than a leasing company, such cock ups would be less likely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9835&page=4#post-275261 Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:43:31 +0000 chdot 275261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Passengers on ScotRail’s busiest rail route face major overcrowding because some of its busiest trains are to lose half their carriages, The Scotsman has learned. The late arrival of a new fleet on the main Edinburgh-Glasgow line will leave the operator short because the lease on four of its current trains expires in weeks. </p> <p>ScotRail is so concerned at potential overcrowding that it will slash fares on another route between the cities by nearly half in an attempt to persuade commuters to switch. </p> <p>The firm said it expected up to 12 trains a day to run with fewer carriages than normal from Monday, 26 February to 20 May.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-forced-to-halve-carriages-on-some-edinburgh-glasgow-trains-1-4689899" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-forced-to-halve-carriages-on-some-edinburgh-glasgow-trains-1-4689899</a> </p>