http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Semi-permeability en Sun, 17 May 2026 06:37:53 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107498 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:00:11 +0000 chdot 107498@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Might be quicker in the Royal Mile -</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1304-High-St-+-Shandon.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1304-High-St-+-Shandon.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107497 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:57:59 +0000 chdot 107497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The world didn't come to an end when they put bollards at the bottom of Meadow Place. </p> <p>But the process took about ten years. </p> <p>This isn't going very quickly either -</p> <p><a href="http://www.thecausey.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecausey.org</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107495 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:28:37 +0000 Nelly 107495@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep, just a few well placed bollards stops rat runs, they didnt ban cars, just encouraged active travel by simple and CHEAP means. That last bit must surely appeal to CEC? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107490 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:20:45 +0000 chdot 107490@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://cyclelondoncity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/quietways-if-you-want-to-know-what.html" rel="nofollow">http://cyclelondoncity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/quietways-if-you-want-to-know-what.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107267 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:29:33 +0000 cc 107267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd love to see Causewayside barricaded off in several places, so that delivery vehicles could get in but it was no longer a through route. Imagine what a lovely sweet place it could be then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107263 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:46:46 +0000 fimm 107263@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Isn't "all" that is needed quadruple yellow lines and lots of traffic warden activity? People would get the message...</p> <p>@Nelly<br /> "<em>A ton of tarmac, some bollards, signage and a few crates of beer - reckon CCE could have it done over a weekend? </em>"</p> <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/80317-extremely-polite-bike-campaigners-install-safety-reflectors-along-seattle-bike">Or just some reflective posts and some 'reasonably polite' civil disobedience?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107260 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:20:18 +0000 paolobr 107260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat I was crossing Cramond Brig on NCN1 at the weekend, from the east, to find a large black SUV parked halfway across the bollards. Plenty of room elsewhere to park, just unthinking and very irritating. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107259 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:11:00 +0000 fimm 107259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was a nice map on here a few weeks ago of a filtered permeability proposal for the area around Sciennes Primary School. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107258 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:57:24 +0000 Nelly 107258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cc - yes, we have debated previously about closing off Argyle Place - but going further would be even better - close off Sciennes Road right along to Livingstone Place.</p> <p>I would also block off Hatton place and Palmerston Road at Chalmers Crescent which would force cars up to Grange Road and remove rat running.</p> <p>A ton of tarmac, some bollards, signage and a few crates of beer - reckon CCE could have it done over a weekend? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107255 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:31:40 +0000 kaputnik 107255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Great in theory: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/NVJXp" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/NVJXp</a></p> <p>Not so great in practice: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/hYor8" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/hYor8</a><br /> </em></p> <p>Yes there are many well-intentioned examples in Edinburgh of how <em>not</em> to do it. Even the bollarded-off Meadows Place gets 2 or 3 wide of cars parked at the bollards, blocking easy access to the South Meadow Walk. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107254 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:24:11 +0000 Arellcat 107254@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>People will park three abreast at those points. In fact, people will park wherever they possibly can. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107252 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:20:53 +0000 SRD 107252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@arellcat -- but that would be fine if the cycle access was in the middle of the road, rather than gutters! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107251 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:18:27 +0000 Arellcat 107251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Great in theory: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/NVJXp" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/NVJXp</a></p> <p>Not so great in practice: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/hYor8" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/hYor8</a></p> <p>Bollards need to be placed less than a car length from a junction in order to discourage parking on that side, but doesn't prevent parking on the other side! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107247 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:00:29 +0000 cc 107247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Argyle Place!<br /> But really every single residential street that's not obviously intended to be a safe through route should be plugged up in this way. We could stop up loads of streets in the Grange and Marchmont and Sciennes for instance and make the place hugely safer to cycle through. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107243 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:23:41 +0000 wingpig 107243@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Queen Charlotte St to Water St or just after Maritime Lane, currently hazardous when a car is in a rush to get to The Shore, resulting in speeding past a nursery over cobbles. The bike-only turn from Cables Wynd into Queen Charlotte is also only of limited effectiveness with all the parked cars along the north side of the street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107240 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:16:18 +0000 PS 107240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>North Castle Street and north half of Frederick Street onto George St - would take away any potential for conflict with the pedestrianised area and segregated cycleway on the north side of George St... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107239 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:11:48 +0000 chdot 107239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course it has to be done properly...</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/8634533274/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8258/8634533274_f85bb8e666.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107237 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:07:42 +0000 kaputnik 107237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Roseburn Gardens is one way, but this means it is used by traffic as a cut-through between Russell Road and Murrayfield, to avoid waiting at lights at end of Roseburn Street. There's a nursery, old folks home on the street and a primary school on the next street. There's no reason this street should continue to serve as a convenient rat-run to save people 30 seconds. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9896#post-107232 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:34:40 +0000 SRD 107232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One of the things I really liked about the London vision was the promotion of semi-permeable streets. that is, closing streets off to motorised through traffic, but enabling cyclists and pedestrians to pass through easily. </p> <p>Suggestions for where we could have more of this? and maybe planning some concerted lobbies? </p>