http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Cars down, bravery not yet up" en Sun, 19 Apr 2026 13:31:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107744 Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:39:18 +0000 Rosie 107744@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quite right Arellcat. Certainly making our spaces suit our transport i.e. cars has destroyed cities as livable environments whether in traffic jams in Bangkok where drivers take chemical toilets with them or in the vast sprawling suburbs of Los Angeles and Auckland. I was interested that he referred to Jane Jacobs' The Death and Life of Great American Cities, Jane Jacobs being a pioneer in the view that knocking down old neighbourhoods for 8 lane highways is a poor idea. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107679 Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:42:33 +0000 Arellcat 107679@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>a holistic view of transport</em></p> <p>I thought it was more than that. It wasn't really about transport at all: it was about making places liveable and enjoyable, where transport is simply a means to an end. For many of the enthusiastic 'us', (planners, bikeists, commuters) transport and infrastructure <em>is</em> the end.</p> <p>We need to make the transport solutions suit our spaces, not make the spaces suit our transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107659 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:16:53 +0000 Rosie 107659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I found Ian Docherty's address really thought provoking - a holistic view of transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107610 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:00:23 +0000 crowriver 107610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That makes sense. Instead of out-of-town shopping centres, we are seeing big logistics/fulfilment centres for companies like Amazon spring up (the latest in Halbeath). Also big sheds for courier companies near airports. All fuelled by the internet shopping/mail order boom. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107604 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 09:49:42 +0000 PS 107604@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IIRC the claim wasn't that retail space requirement is down 30% but that it is projected to fall by 30%. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107594 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:58:02 +0000 neddie 107594@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Iain Docherty claims that retail sales have fallen 30% and that out-of-town shopping centres will suffer first due to 'peak car'.</p> <p>Has anyone seen any anecdotal evidence of this?</p> <p>There are many vacant units on Shandwick Pl (which I attribute to the recession &amp; internet shopping as well as the businesses themselves either being marginal or not diverse, as opposed to the tram works). But are there a similar number/proportion of vacant out-of-town units? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107579 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:17:52 +0000 chdot 107579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Key Challenges</p> <p>• More match funding</p> <p>• Getting the big projects right<br /> • Keep cycle lanes clear of parked vehicles</p> <p>• Securing 7% of Transport budget for 2014/15</p> <p>• Improving perceptions of cycling as safe, convenient and inclusive</p> <p>• Maintain a positive image</p> <p>From <a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1304-JO-PP-SPOKES-PRESENTATION-final-080413.pptx">Jim Orr's presentation</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107577 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:12:11 +0000 chdot 107577@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>•There is no such thing as transport policy any more (?)</p> <p>•Clarity has disappeared from the debate… “New Deal… to … “Integration”… to “Choice”… to “Modal Agnosticism”… to motherhood and apple pie</p> <p>•Ministers are enormously nervous in revisiting the concept of sustainability in any meaningful sense</p> <p>•Reducing the need to travel has (almost) vanished as a policy objective</p> <p>•Some problems remain resilient/intractable e.g. transport/land use integration</p> <p>"</p> <p>From <a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1304-ID-PP-Spokes-Edinburgh-08_04_2013-pics-reduced.pptx">Iain Docherty's presentation</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9932#post-107570 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:35:19 +0000 chdot 107570@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fabulous title for report on <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9548">recent Spokes meeting</a>!</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/04/cars-down-bravery-not-yet-up" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/04/cars-down-bravery-not-yet-up</a> </p>