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Email to Peter's Yard about Bike Parking

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  • Started 15 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
  • Latest reply from gembo

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  1. Dear Sirs

    I'm a fan, and reasonably regular customer, of your Edinburgh bakery/cafe - arriving by bike en route to work in the mornings. At least once a month a group of us meet up to chat and indulge in cakes (calorie-neutral, you see, since we rode there...). Anyway, this morning we noticed new signs by part of the railings where we normally chain up declaring "No Bicycles Please". A polite notice, granted, but not terribly helpful.

    There are some other railings, but when busy (the cafe being located beside one of the busiest cycle routes in the city) it can be difficult (occasionally impossible) to find a spot. Those which have the sign attached appear to border the plush flats beside the cafe, and so I assume the sign was at their behest rather than that of Peter's Yard. Not exactly encouraging a continental style cafe-cycling culture, the thought process seems to have been 'stop cyclists parking here by means of discouragement' rather than 'stop cyclists parking here by offer of something better and more secure'. Not really a thought process I can see being replicated in bike-friendly Scandinavia.

    The knock-on is, of course, that if there is no space people will simply ride by. Even now, in the midst of winter, there are often a lot of bikes parked outside - come the summer, with passing commuters and students, that number will only multiply. Or would. If there was space to park.

    I don't know if it is at all possible for you to speak to the developers of that area and even see about getting a few Sheffield Stands in. I can't honestly say that the possiblity of not getting a space to lock the bike would tempt me away from making the diversion off the main road, but it would be a painful disappointment to have to carry on riding by for lack of that space due to a few residents, who have to virtually lean out of windows to see the railings in question, complaining and retaining the 'blank' nature of the area seemingly devoid of any life save for that in your cafe.

    Regards
    Anthony Robson

    Posted 15 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    I must be naturally cynical - I'd been wondering how long it would be before signs went up there! I believe there are some sheffield racks round on the side near Starbucks.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Well said Anth. I might take the 10 minutes to send a similar note myself this weekend.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  4. Damn, should have mentioned that and say they might lose custom to the Seattle mob!

    Posted 15 years ago #
  5. steveo
    Member

    Maybe point them to the councils offer of buying stands on the cheap.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    I expect they'll be well aware than anyone targeting them isn't likely to readily divert to Starbucks, but it's worth a try.
    The section fenced-in by the fence on which the nice new signs have been mounted doesn't appear to be directly bordering or belonging to any particular property and it's a shame to waste the nice big windows at PY by chaining a cycle up out of sight round the other side of the block, increasing paranoia, potentially reducing stay-length and purchase-quantity.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  7. Kim
    Member

    It looks more like the work of the Quarter Mile developers rather than Peter's Yard, who are after all just tenants. Two thoughts:

    first, I do remember reading something about the legal standing of such notices (but can find the source)

    second, it might be more fruitful to try and get them to take this approach...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  8. Kim
    Member

    @SRD is this the alternative cycle parking which you are referring to?

    Posted 15 years ago #
  9. Got a nice response from PY.

    Hi Anthony,

    you´ve got a very good point. In the first year (2008) we had several discussions with the developer regarding this problem. The result was a number of stands outside our american colleagues. Not a great improvement for our customers.

    I´m more than happy to bring back the discussion, ones again, to see what could be done. I will forward your e-mail as a start and set up a meeting when 
    I´m coming over next.

    And thanks a lot for your -email.

    Best,
    Peter

    Posted 15 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    That's good. Sounds though that he is in Sweden at moment?

    The very fact that signs have gone up shows you that cycling is percieved as an 'increasing nuisance' to QM.

    This developer provides underground garaging for hundreds of cars which will in the future join the long queues along by Heriots.
    They should 'encourage' cycling by providing racks as you suggest.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "
    And thanks a lot for your -email.

    Best,
    Peter
    "

    I'm shocked!

    You mean "Peter" is a real person?

    "The name is taken from Moby-Dick; after Pequod was rejected by one of the co-founders, the company was named for the first mate on the Pequod, Starbuck."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbucks

    Posted 15 years ago #
  12. LaidBack
    Member

    Some background...

    Sometimes, it is the simplest ideas which capture hearts and minds and this bakery (near Ystad) in the heart of the Swedish country-side became far more popular than we ever would have thought.

    Today, it is as popular as ever, selling a range of artisan bread, crispbreads. pastries, jams and ice cream. 

A desire to make the leap from countryside to city life led me to Scotland and Edinburgh, where Peter´s Yard coffee house and bakery opened near the University in the new Quartermile development at the very end of 2007. 

Here we have a base of loyal customers who we have started to know as friends and I have the privilege of meeting fascinating people who visit our coffee house every day. As for where next on the journey? Who knows?

    Peter

    Yes it's all real.
    WARNING: Contains pictures of cakes

    Quick search has found that Olof Viktors Cafe + Bakery is here...
    Glemminge, Österlenvägen 86, 270 21 Ystad, Skåne Län
    The Swedes like a good story (Swedish Wallander is great and it's fun to see that Edinburgh has an Ystad connection - Glemminge is 15km away)
    Välkommen till Olof Viktors!

    Posted 15 years ago #
  13. Kim
    Member

    Interestingly Peter's Yard twitter account is in the name of Wendy Wilson-Bett, Location: Shropshire, Edinburgh, London. Bio: Enjoying the journey of building a Swedish bakery & coffee house in Edinburgh & selling our handmade crispbreads to great shops & restaurants across the UK/Ire

    Not so sure that "Peter" is in deed a Peter after all...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The name is taken from Moby-Dick

    Hence the logo of a two-tailed mermaid, rather than a girl in a crown doing naughty things with her legs

    Posted 15 years ago #
  15. LaidBack
    Member

    Kim Not so sure that "Peter" is in deed a Peter after all...

    But maybe more real than Mr Kipling?

    I'm a bit worried about the Ystad connection as that town seems to have a constant crime wave ;-)

    Posted 15 years ago #
  16. Stepdoh
    Member

    You think Wallander would be a bit cheerier with all those cinnabuns to hand... #omnomnom

    Posted 15 years ago #
  17. LaidBack
    Member

    You think Wallander would be a bit cheerier with all those cinnabuns to hand...

    The last BBC4 one had Rolf Lassgard playing Wallander. He really looked like one too many cardomon buns would have finished him. According to my wife his is the most accurate version of the maverick, unfit Ystad detective with a penchant for malt whiskies.

    Krister Henrikson portrayal on the other hand has been known to cycle (under doctors orders).

    Posted 15 years ago #
  18. Arellcat
    Moderator

    A bit like Ken Stott's gruff, portly, chain-smoking portrayal of Rebus, compared with a far-too-clean-looking John Hannah. Did Rebus ever cycle anywhere though?

    Posted 15 years ago #
  19. spytefear
    Member

    Wasn't Rebus half cut on the IPA most of the time?
    Not much bike parking outside the Oxford bar...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  20. LaidBack
    Member

    Did Rebus ever cycle anywhere though?

    I think he was more at home in his car... Rebus likes rock and rockers like to drive (apart from Bono).

    Wallander* on the other hand likes classical music including opera. One episode had him listening to Faure's Requiem - (ideal cycling music!) .... no wait a minute ... Inspector Morse liked the classics and he drove an old Jaguar

    Then again the Jag never really worked so I heard...

    * Although the version with Rolf Lasgaard has Wallander listening to rock for some odd reason. Odd because the rest is much closer to the book. Whereas Krister Henrikson's ones are a bit like 'Hill St Blues' with lots of side characters.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  21. RJ
    Member

    IIRC, Rebus was pretty good at cadging lifts ...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  22. Kim
    Member

    I should just like to apologise for doubting the existence of Peter in the post above, apparently he does really exist...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    I was reading a chapter in Moby-Dick the other night where the captain of another ship is rowing over and they think he has a coffee pot with him. The other mates on the Pequod are Flask and Stubbs.

    Posted 15 years ago #

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