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"Pressure on green belt as 10,000 homes to be built"

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  1. chdot
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    “I've been looking at various big planning applications around Edinburgh, and they *all* fail to include adequate pedestrian/cyclist access to nearby amenities.”

    Suggest you contact Spokes and make sure they are aware of all the ones you have been looking at.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    @Muirwoods - Excellent, thank you!

    @chdot - Already on the case, but good idea.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. HankChief
    Member

    The New Builds Are Coming: Battle in the Countryside, Series 1: Episode 1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09qmrsj via @bbciplayer

    Interesting program about plans to build a new town in fields near Oxford.

    I commend it to the house.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    In case it's useful to anyone else, @DdF suggested the information at https://www.pas.org.uk/ in response to my question on the last page. In particular, this helpsheet: https://www.pas.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/17.03.17-3-Material-Considerations.pdf

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. Ed1
    Member

    The New houses at Currie hill are slightly blocking out the light on the platform marginally detracting from ambience and aura of the historic station of curriehill (since 1987) I recall went with my granddad to look at the construction site in 1986 one evening, but some neds were vandalising a JCB so a short visit. A larger issue may be the lack of bus provision. My granddad used to live at the edge of the currie hill scheme near where the new houses are built. When he was 98 he struggled to walk up the road to the A70 so had to walk down to the train to go to town and get bus back to top of the hill. The bus provision on curriehill road is somewhat sketchy with no evening services. However the train provision is good and in my view the cycling connections good so better than many of the other developments noticed.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Elsewhere -

    "

    “One-off housing has created a huge headache and a ticking time bomb of rural isolation as transport and mobility undergo a rapid transition. It has exacerbated rural generated traffic towards urban centres that is highly polluting. Over 40% of all new housing constructed in Ireland over the past two decades has been one-off rural housing, so why then are our rural schools, post offices and shops closing?

    "

    https://greenparty.ie/news/green-party-one-off-rural-housing-must-be-restricted-in-npf/

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. chdot
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    Controversial plans to build 16 homes next to Culloden Moor will be given a fresh hearing after councillors apparently voted through the development “by mistake”.

    https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/culloden-homes-to-get-fresh-hearing-after-vote-mistake-1-4705438

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. chdot
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    TOWNS in Scotland’s national park are to see a housebuilding boom in a bid to attract more young people into the area.

    The move is part of a five-year plan aimed at regenerating the Loch Lomond and The Trossachs National Park to increase visitor numbers as well as boosting the local population.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16087353.Hundreds_of_new_houses_to_be_built_in_Scots_national_park_to_attract_the_young/

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. chdot
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    The development will include footpaths and cycle routes that connect to South Queensferry itself, and there will be a provision of 25 per cent affordable homes.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/plans-for-nearly-350-south-queensferry-new-builds-granted-1-4714013

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. acsimpson
    Member

    That sounds like the wedge of land between the town and the M90/A90 which I went to the consultation of months ago. I'll try and find the thread tomorrow.

    This should be the development which finally sorts out the gate by the Dalmeny railway bridge so if anyone has time to dig into the plans and ensure that is included I would be grateful.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    “The infrastructure in this area is not suitable for any more housing. There is not enough parking at the station"

    Trying to get my head around this. You live in South Queensferry and you drive to the train station? And then you complain about loss of woodland, open space, etc.

    Okay...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. chdot
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    “You live in South Queensferry and you drive to the train station? And then you complain about loss of woodland, open space, etc.“

    Sounds normal...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    "not enough parking at the station"

    Looks like quite a lot if you ask me. How much more should there be?

    https://goo.gl/maps/cLnZwebHTY22

    https://goo.gl/maps/hmfugh5xusA2

    https://goo.gl/maps/7PEZ9RdzxfC2

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Frenchy
    Member

    The Street View photos are seven years old, so it's possibly quite different now.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    The fund can be used to support projects that will:

    Improve directions and signs for cyclists to and from stations.

    Upgrade connections between stations and other local services such as schools and town centres.

    Improve marketing and promotion of cycling to stations including digital; or
    Introduce new facilities for customers accessing stations by bike.

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18695

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. acsimpson
    Member

    Here's the thread with my comments about the PAN consultation:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17143

    This development is about half a mile from Dalmeny station provided you don't take a car. In an alternative reality there would be no-one driving to the station.

    Crowriver, based on Dalmeny park and the QC the aerial shot of the station in your links is from last year. Sometime during the summer.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    @chdot, aye seems there's pressing need for some spend from that fund in Dalmeny and SQ! :-)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    Where those 150,000 new Edinburgh people will live is the biggest challenge facing the city right now – unless your view is that there should be no more growth – and the transport focus is on existing untapped capacity. The Borders rail link is the driver behind the new communities which will spring up in the South East and developers are already eyeing relatively under-used stations like Curriehill and Kirknewton as opportunities.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/john-mclellan-why-edinburgh-needs-a-new-rail-station-1-4714363

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    Gowanhill farm on the long dalmahoy was an ancient old White House with dark green paint around the Windows, it was recently turned into properties not sure how many sold. The foot crossing of the railway is there but the Newmains road has a fence across it because of housing development up the hill in Balerno.

    There is a pavement from Heriot watt to Currie but nowhere else down that way would be safe. They have built all the way down curriehill now. So the only land left is the flat plain the railway runs along, dalmahoy road. They have built communities in the middle of nowhere - newlands is one nearby between Balerno and kirknewton. No amenities.

    In kirknewton there is one farm left but it is a big one (ormiston). Those fields could go.

    All fields in Balerno being built on. This has meant a new pedestrian crossing across the a70 quite close to existing lights. This will allow me to come up steps off the WoL path and cycle on the road rather than pavement as they have cut through the crash barrier to make the crossing.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Demand for new housing will also come at the expense of the space western Sydney currently offers. With the western district due to bear the brunt of the population growth, the plan has identified a need for 184,500 new homes there by 2036, and proposes releasing large tracts of land to form new walkable neighbourhoods close to public transport.

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/apr/10/the-radical-plan-to-split-sydney-into-three

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    I daresay this kind of celebration of ridiculously high property prices is part of the problem.

    In pictures: 10 most expensive streets in Scotland

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/image-gallery/in-pictures-10-most-expensive-streets-in-scotland-1-4720970/4720971/img14720969

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/image-gallery/in-pictures-10-most-expensive-streets-in-scotland-1-4720970/4720971

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    We need more affordable houses. We have a huge commitment to do that, 10,000 in five years; 20,000 in ten years. It’s probably the most ambitious affordable house-building programme in the country.”

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/wealthy-capital-ignoring-poverty-says-new-housing-convener-1-4721263

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. neddie
    Member

    I do like how the EEN have just ripped off a load of pics from Google streetview for their 10 most ....

    Proper cheap tat

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. Stickman
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  25. crowriver
    Member

    Plan to build new village near Currie blocked by councillors

    Green Cllr Chas Booth lamented the developers, claiming the scheme contravened the council’s housing policy. He said: “Why are you bringing forward an application that treats our local development plan and the local community with such contempt?”

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/plan-to-build-new-village-near-currie-blocked-by-councillors-1-4730846

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    “lamented the developers”

    ENews English?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Riccarton Mains development refused planning permission. Not sure if there was another thread somewhere.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Some greenbelt areas are anonymous farmland that could be used for much-needed new houses, says Donald Anderson, former leader of Edinburgh City Council.

    “We all live in a house built on a field that was once someone’s view.” That was said a few years back by a chair of planning in Perth as he brilliantly explained why he was supporting a development on greenbelt land in the face of vociferous objections from local residents. It wasn’t an easy thing to say and it’s not getting easier for politicians to do that.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/donald-anderson-here-s-what-s-really-causing-the-housing-crisis-1-4759672

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    There's a lot of nonsense in that article, including a flat denial of the existence of land banking.

    A housing shortage does not necessarily mean the green belt needs to be bulldozrd to provide more detached four bedroom homes for two car families. City also needs to look at urban living, not just the aspirational suburban dream. If the priority is housing for residents, then development catering to tourism (hotels, AirBnB, etc.) needs to be curbed to release urban buildings for housing.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    Agree with crowriver.

    Brent Toderian writes some good stuff about mid-rise high-density urban living.

    Rule #1 - make it attractive to families by providing play parks & schools.

    https://twitter.com/BrentToderian

    City planner + urbanist at @TODUrbanWORKS. Former Vancouver chief planner. Founding @CanUrbanism President. @CBC Radio regular. Speaker/change-agent/city-maker.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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