CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 14years old!
Well done to ALL posters
It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
@Yodhrin
Also, the whole "experimental vaccine" thing is a real nonsense being churned around online by scared boomers or rabid Tea Party types in America, they're no more experimental than any vaccines, they went through the same trials and approvals
i feel sorry for your lack of critical analysis
@wingpig
But which they can still transmit, either between themselves or via their parents and carers, until it reaches someone vulnerable, unvaccinatable, immune-compromised or otherwise susceptible to a life-threatening infection
there's nothing new about this
what is new, is the endless bullying for young people to take a novel experimental vaccine that is more likely to do them harm than help anyone else
get the public to accept a pan-coronavirus vaccine counter-measure
an injection of a synthetic recombinant chimeric protein developed from a computer simulation
investors will follow where they see profit
there is no liability for the manufacturers or the nhs
good news for investors and their vax administrators
this rodeo will not end with a third "booster" jab
you're in this for life
@bax Come on then chiefo, educate us - don't just regurgitate the latest breaking crackpottery from Facebook, provide some actual evidence of your claims, demonstrate in a rational manner that there is something wrong with the process by which the vaccines were approved. Not vague innuendo. Not pub-bore "well it's just obvious innit" guff.
Otherwise, the rational thing for anyone capable of critical analysis to do is reject what you're saying as the antivax concern-troll rubbish it very much appears to be.
"...an injection of a synthetic recombinant chimeric protein developed from a computer simulation..."
What big sciencey words you have. This forum is probably not the best place to try that, though. If you want to try and develop an entirely new field of manual protein folding using mud and sticks, no-ones stopping you, though a stick is arguably also a technological development. Might also be quite a long list of other things you'll want to avoid besides vaccines and other medicines if you're not keen on anything produced through genetic recombination.
WHO rarely make comments of this sort (from National)
In unusually forthright comments from the WHO which usually refrains from remarking on the policies of individual member states, its Covid-19 technical leadMaria Van Kerkhove hit out at the scenes which saw fans crowded into the stands at the London stadium.
"Am I supposed to be enjoying watching transmission happening in front of my eyes?" she tweeted in the late stages of the match which saw Italy defeat England.
"The Covi-19 pandemic is not taking a break tonight ... #SARSCoV2 #DeltaVariant will take advantage of unvaccinated people, in crowded settings, unmasked, screaming/shouting/singing. Devastating."
Dr David Nabarro from WHO said he was amazed how two neighbouring administrations on same island could not agree on face mask rules and other measures. This I took was aimed at Johnston. I can't find link. Closest was this. London Transport will follow transport in Scotland it seems with compulsory face covering now. Commuters in other parts of England can choose to do what suits them.
“It’s necessary to be unequivocal on this particular challenge. What does urging caution mean? It’s important that everybody knows the best possible advice on how to prevent themselves being infected.“I accept that vaccination has changed the nature of the equation in the UK but quite honestly from any point of view it’s too early to be talking about massive relaxation or freedom when the outbreak curve is on such a sharp ascent.
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U-turn as Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to self-isolate after criticism
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@Yodhrin
don't just regurgitate the latest breaking crackpottery from Facebook, provide some actual evidence of your claims, demonstrate in a rational manner that there is something wrong with the process by which the vaccines were approved.
These vaccines haven't been formally approved or licensed, there hasn't been time for that, the studies are incomplete til 2023.
They are temporarily authorised for emergency use, a decision which was only allowed on the (now debatable) basis that no standard acceptable treatment is available.
This emergency authorisation is temporarily extended every few months, last time was June 2021.
for example
Whilst an acceptable level of information has been received to provide assurance that appropriate standards of quality, safety and efficacy have been met for authorisation of specific batches for temporary supply under Regulation 174 of the Regulations, it should be noted that COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 remains under review as MHRA continues to receive data from the company as it becomes available. This will include, for example, long-term follow-up efficacy and safety data. Further information that is received by the MHRA will be reviewed as part of the ongoing assessment for this product.
But hey, you don't have to agree with me.
Phone up your life insurance company if you have one, and ask them if you're covered.
You're not.
Let me be clear
They are visibly desperate to get all remaining cohorts on at least one shot of a covid vaccine, preferably two or more
Yet there are few deaths and the variants are getting milder
Why then? Because they do not want a control group
If long term vaccine effects emerge, they do not want a significantly populated unvaxed control group
This isn't even a debate, its just reality
Phone up your life insurance company if you have one, and ask them if you're coveredYou're not.
Absolutely untrue.
https://twitter.com/scottishwidows/status/1412426267899596807?s=21
Completely and utterly false.
https://twitter.com/britishinsurers/status/1371493658688679941?s=21
They are visibly desperate to get all remaining cohorts on at least one shot of a covid vaccine, preferably two or more
Yes. They want fewer people to die.
What absolute [rule 2]s they are.
There’s a need for a Rule 3: no sharing of false health stories and lies during a pandemic.
With several different vaccines available they have control groups for each vaccine.
I don't understand the claim that there is no risk for investors in vaccine producers or the NHS. If any one of these vaccines was found to have significant, widespread health impacts the producer would be wiped out and any investment in the company alongside it - as no-one could ever trust one of their products again.
Those involved in the vaccine development would never be employed again, the politicians who championed it voted out, the entire medical regulatory system would have to be reformed, academic journals would fold and individual researchers and clinicians would have to live with the knowledge that they had knowingly participated in a scheme that maimed or even killed millions of people.
As incentives go to avoid a cock-up along the chain of vaccine development, approval and roll-out I reckon that is pretty compelling.
@stickman
both of your promotional tweets refer to "the covid-19 vaccine" as if there is only one, which is so very cute of them
@morningsider
If any one of these vaccines was found to have significant, widespread health impacts
you know they denied the thalidamide health impact on pregnant women for five years til anything was done
sir, you are an intelligent entity, so i encourage you - nay, beseech you - to watch this in full
youtube.com/watch?v=gsDlHprql-g
@stickman
There’s a need for a Rule 3: no sharing of false health stories and lies during a pandemic
ok, i'm out of here
good luck with your echo chamber
<Moderator hat on>
I would suggest that debates relating to the integrity and efficacy of the Covid-19 vaccines are given the same healthy caution as debates about bike helmets.
that is indeed noteable, @arellcat
last weekends widely circulated scare story about the 90 year old lady from belgium, infected with two variants, every mass media outlet had in its second stand-out paragraph that she was not vaccinated
would it have been mentioned if she was vaccinated? no
watch out for this - its the same editorial victim blaming we have seen so often over the years with cycle helmets in fatal incidents
ok, i'm out
“both of your promotional tweets refer to "the covid-19 vaccine" as if there is only one, which is very cute of them”
You could listen to people (like me) who work in insurance, know about underwriting criteria and who know for an absolute fact that vaccination with any of the Covid vaccines is completely irrelevant to health insurance.
ok, i'm out
Good. **** off. People like you are ****ing dangerous.
@Arellcat: nope, repeating proven lies about vaccines and other health measures isn’t just a “on the one hand, on the other” situation.
Good. **** off. People like you are ****ing dangerous
i'll take that as a compliment, and you should reflect at length on how and why i got under your skin
Got under their skin presumably you're parroting dangerous misinformation which threatens resumption of life as we once knew it. When did "critical thinking" become blindly absorbing conspiratorial nonsense from non-experts and ignoring active scientists (who are experts on the topic at hand and actually know what they're talking about)?
Dismal.
Very much with Stickman and TMB on this one.
I would love bax to be right IN THE SENSE THAT ’we’ are all too familiar with being outsiders/‘wrong’ when it comes to things like advocating better walk/cycle infrastructure and slower/less traffic because it’s actually for the benefit of far more people than us “selfish cyclists”.
BUT
While the whole ‘managing’ of the Covid crisis, particularly in the UK/Scotland is still, shall we say, ‘controversial’, the basic facts are largely agreed and deniers are increasingly on the fringe - as are Climate Change deniers, at last.
Of course they could be right too.
However in the context of CCE, arguing that case would be unwelcome.
CCE suffered significantly from a relatively recent stooshie about the (then) hot Twitter topic surrounding gender/identity. Some people behaved badly and I got accused of not closing it down more quickly.
I don’t want to have to do it again - EVER.
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The Freedom Day Gamble
More or Less
On the day the Government plans to drop the remaining Covid-19 restrictions, Tim Harford and the More or Less team try to work out how long cases will continue to rise and whether we can be sure the link with deaths and hospitalisations has been broken. Is this 'freedom day' or an unnecessary gamble with people’s lives?
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Was at first live music event for 18 months.
Pashyanti at Summerhall. Solo guitar in Secret Courtyard.
We got email to remind us to log in using app, and wear face mask during concert.
Drinks were not meant to be taken in but revised to allow.
In venue there were around 100 people spaced out well in a covered area. Bubbles of 2 or 4.
People next to us were up from England and were not wearing face coverings anywhere in venue seated or standing. They were not alone.
My wife sitting one seat away heard guy on phone telling his friends in South that 'some people in Scotland still thought they should wear face masks'.
We also went by Sandy Bell's and the Scottish clientele were showing solidarity with the 'covid is over' viewpoint.
Quite likely that the festival will result in a spike in figures. #safe bet
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