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"Was the traffic study done during the tram diversions I wonder???"
That's a good question.
Think problem is speed more than volume.
Crossing is expensive 'solution'.
Would be better to redesign DPl/LSt corner.
Better still - stop through traffic from GKSt using north side of DPl.
Suspect (at least one) strong local councillor...
That's exactly why a crossing is going in here, after someone was killed here about 2-3 years back crossing the road on their way to work.
Nothing like a prompt response ...
The London street one is also obscure.
Indeed. There's already extensive dropped kerb and wide central island here. You'd think Belisha beacons would be a cheaper option, combined with some right-angling of the corners to slow the traffic. If the folks of Marchmont wouldn't stand for a pelican crossing with it's beeping noises, what chance the folks of London Street will?
There may be a less obvious answer - for instance there's a crossing on Hillside Crescent which doesn't make sense until you realise it's outside the Institution for the Blind (there's a tactile paving "guideway" from the front door to the crossing). Perhaps something like that on London Street?
What happened to this at the Transport Committee?
Did the proposed list get approved?
Any changes following the deputations?
"Pedestrian crossings boost for city"
Any word on if the Kaimes Road crossing is still going ahead?
My wife was nearly knocked down here by a speeding taxi at this spot this afternoon. She's quite shaken by it. Unfortunately didn't get his number.
that's appalling. i hope you write to all of your representatives.
Thanks to some nagging, Cllr Gloyer raised a question at Full Council Yesterday on this.
Question A signalised pedestrian crossing across the A8 at Kaimes Rd was first assessed as having high priority in October 2009. At what stage is the design of this crossing at present?
Answer The majority of the funding for this crossing was secured through the Planning process, via a Section 75 Agreement with a developer. This funding became available for use by the Council in late November 2016.
It is intended to implement the crossing as part of a wider scheme of improvements to the Council’s QuietRoute 9 and preliminary design work for this is currently underway.
Consultation on the proposals is planned to take place shortly and it is currently expected that these will be implemented during financial year 2018/19.
Disappointing for further delays but good to hear we will get a consultation and that they are considering improvements to QR9.
And another follow up question by Cllr Gloyer at 28th June's Full Council Meeting
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It is now eight months since, in response to my question about the pedestrian crossing of the A8 at Kaimes Road, the Convener assured me that a Section 75 contribution towards it had been secured in November 2016, that “preliminary design work for this is currently underway” and that “Consultation on the proposals is planned to take place shortly”.
Question (1) At what stage is the design work for this long-delayed and much-needed pedestrian crossing and related improvements for pedestrian access to it?
Answer (1) A consultant has been procured to design and deliver the crossing. Work on producing a preliminary design, suitable for use in consulting with the local community, is nearing completion.
Question (2) What consultation has taken place and with whom?
Answer (2) It is intended to consult with the local community and other stakeholders on the preliminary proposals at the end of the summer holiday period to maximise the opportunity for people to be able to contribute to the process.
A detailed consultation plan has not yet been developed, but normal consultees would include: all frontagers directly affected by the proposals, along with residents of nearby streets and a variety of stakeholder organisations, including
local community groups.
Question (3) By what date is it expected that the crossing will be installed?
Answer (3) Following the consultation and making any changes to the design that might arise from this, it will be necessary to promote a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) to remove the existing Greenways parking bays at this location.
The crossing cannot be constructed until the statutory procedures associated with the TRO have been successfully completed. The timescale for this can vary, but normally takes between 9 and 12 months.
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Last day to respond to the consultation on the new crossing.
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/
You only need to answer 1 question and can I ask that you mention the 3 steps heading to Traquair Alley as a barrier for active travel.
Here's what I said...
"The new crossing is most welcome and will improve the safety and accessibility for people crossing the busy Corstorphine Road, however, for the crossing to be most useful, there should also be improvements to the Traquair Alley (just South of the Crossing) which currently requires 3 steps to reach the level of the Corstorphine Road pavement height. These steps are a barrier for those people using prams, wheelchairs or bicycles on what is a very useful and well used route from the residential area North of Corstorphine Road (either from Belgrave or Kaimes Roads) to Carrick Knowe and the Pinkhill (old) Railway line South of Corstorphine Road.
There are no North-South Routes across Corstorphine (/St Johns) Road for Active Travellers that don't require a large dog leg and many use busy roads or narrow pavements. The Kaimes Road/Traquair Alley route has the potential to provide a safe and direct option.
I frequently see cyclists turning right from the Eastbound A8 into the exit from the Forrestry Commission car park, which highlights the impact of the steps on people's route choices and the danger they put themselves in to avoid the more convoluted route to use the entrance to the Forrestry Commission car park and loop round the building. This danger would be removed if the steps were removed and a direct route down Traquair Alley established.
I would them expect cyclists travelling South to use the Eastbound Bus lane but then stop on the Northside pavement and use the crossing to cross. This would require a kerb free route to the Northern waiting area and the crossing to be Toucan.
Travelling North would be more difficult and especially for the less confident coming from Quiet Route 9 (Pinkhill Railway) who could use the crossing but would find it hard to access either Belgrave or Kaimes Roads without using the pavement on the Northside. An alternative would be to create a short bi-directional
segregated cycle path on the North side from the new crossing to Belgrave Road using the space in the road currently taken up by the central hatching. It should be noted that Belgrave Road is an important route for cyclists as it leads to a helpful East-West Route just North of St Johns Roads (and importantly avoiding it) using quiet routes and connects through to Corstorphine Bank Drive via Forrester Road.
I would like to stress how much of a barrier steps are to those travelling with prams, wheelchairs or bicycles. Not everyone has the ability to cope with steps, especially those in wheelchairs and those with family (child carrying) bikes. I have been in dialogue with CEC for a number of year over the 6 steps at the rear entrance to Craigmount High School from North Gyle Loan. The route using the steps is important both for school visitors but also for those travelling between off road path network of East Craigs and the toucan crossing at the Volvo (previously Jaguar) garage on Glasgow Road."
Done
Done, and posted on Spokes Facebook. I have often been annoyed by those steps.
I took care to note that the crossing should be toucan and adjacent pavements should be designated shared use. At the very least, you could allowed to be bump up onto the pavement from the west like the Brunstfield Place one.
TRO 19/23 for the removal of parking is currently live:
As usually you can't official comment in support but that doesn't mean you can't.
Unfortunately the crossing will be a Puffin rather than a toucan and replacing the steps will have to wait for a future project.
The earlier consultation response is here:
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/corstorphine-road-pedx/results/consultationhubresponse.pdf
Anyone who struggles with the three steps besides the Scout Hall is not realistically going to be cycling up Kaimes Road. Hopefully these changes will be accompanied by some improvements to the road surface though. Its not much fun to cycle on.
@mgj, that depends on what you mean by struggle. I have yet to see a single entrant (or anyone else) of the annual hill climb competition manage the steps without dismounting.
They wont stop anyone from accessing Kaimes Road but they will certainly force a lot of people to choose an alternative route (ie the carpark).
There seems to be another TRO up to remove parking for this crossing. https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/14479/tro1923---corstorphine-road---greenways
Whoop whoop. TRO passed.
https://twitter.com/LordProvostEdin/status/1261235316121382914?s=19
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