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31. Bhachgen
    Member

    Bad news on this one. Jeremy Vine has just announced that this will be one of the 4 stories on his Radio 2 show this lunchtime - from the angle "is this story about how everyone, including the police, hates cyclists?".

    Cue his usual phone-in participants of screechy middle england 4x4-driving housewives and retired van drivers calling in with their tales of woe about all the inconsiderate law-breaking cyclists and how they all deserve to be run over and what are they doing on the road anyway and one of them nearly knocked my friend over the other day when he was riding on the pavement...

    Posted 11 years ago #

32. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'd love to see a little spoof youtube clip of Mandrew Itchell, cycling MP, shouting and swearing at other inconvenient gates (and bollards and fences and chicanes) getting in the way of him and his bike, with an equal amount of "passion" to that he directed at the Police and the Downing Street gate.

    Posted 11 years ago #

33. chdot
    Admin

    Resigned.

    Posted 11 years ago #

34. Arellcat
    Moderator

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19922026

    Perhaps the Chief Whip needed the direction of an even-more-senior Whip.

    Posted 11 years ago #

35. Kirst
    Member

    I think he's sacrificed himself to take the focus from George Osborne!

    Posted 11 years ago #

36. chdot
    Admin

    "George Osborne 'pays £160 first class train upgrade' "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20008342

    Posted 11 years ago #

37. wee folding bike
    Member

    I have a feeling we will end up paying it…

    I see jim Murphy is at it again. Now they are renting flats to each other.

    Posted 11 years ago #

38. Instography
    Member

    Sniggers.

    Posted 11 years ago #

39. gembo
    Member

    Saw clip on HIGNFY last night with jimmy Carr serving coffee in Starbucks. Younger but with much Kohl around the eyes. Apparently Costa do pay tax. imagine PY pay tax too. So boycott Starbucks, amazon and google, oh err....I shall resign.

    Jim Murphy took over from me as a barman in The Doublet Bar, Kelvinbridge, Glasgow. I marvel at his career trajectory. I note he has been to talking quietly classes.

    Posted 11 years ago #

40. chdot
    Admin

    New Chief Whip is even more well known as a cyclist!

    ('Proper' posh too - "Young was born in Oxford in 1941, the first son of Sir George Peregrine "Gerry" Young, 5th Baronet, and Elizabeth Knatchbull-Hugessen.") Unlikely to swear at police.

    "
    In 1982, Young and his children appeared on a British Rail poster alongside Jimmy Savile[3][4] to promote new measures to allow people to take their bicycles on trains more easily. Young had made a critical speech in parliament about the provisions for cyclists to take their bikes on trains, and when British Rail implemented new measures they invited Young to appear on the publicity poster. His enthusiasm for cycling has earned Young the nickname of the "Bicycling Baronet"

    "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_George_Young,_6th_Baronet

    

    

    Posted 11 years ago #

41. wee folding bike
    Member

    Ohhhh dear.

    This is like being on QI and knowing that Stephen Fry wants you to say the word that sets off the klaxon. You just had to mention Jimmy Saville and kids, didn't you? I'm not going to do it, I'm not, I'm not I'm not.

    So there.

    Posted 11 years ago #

42. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Might as well complete the set:

    

    Posted 11 years ago #

43. wee folding bike
    Member

    Saville's bikes were auctioned last month. I'm thinking their value might have dropped somewhat.

    Posted 11 years ago #

44. chdot
    Admin

    

    From PE (not PY)

    Posted 11 years ago #

45. Baldcyclist
    Member

    It appears from CCTV images released by Downing St, and the fact that the 'witness' who it turns out is actually a serving police officer, who has now admitted that himself and his nephew weren't even there, that Andrew Mitchell was indeed telling the truth.....

    Posted 11 years ago #

46. Min
    Member

    Here is the story.

    I am unsurprised!

    Posted 11 years ago #

47. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm confused. Are they saying that Mitchell didn't call the Police "plebs" or that he did, but the person who claims to have overheard him do so didn't?

    Whichever way it lands, a lot of people wanted to believe it was true. And did.

    Posted 11 years ago #

48. Min
    Member

    It turns out that the supposed witness, who is also a police officer, is a big fat liar as they were nowhere near Downing Street at the time and the CCTV corroborates this.

    Posted 11 years ago #

49. chdot
    Admin

    Good bit of journalism/telly by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crick

    http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-police-cctv-downing-street

    Posted 11 years ago #

50. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I think the real story here is that there appears to have been another media/police conspiracy which has happened right under the nose of Leveson so to speaka.

    The evidence Channel 4 uncovered was:
    1. CCTV footage uncovers questions over what was actually said, body language of those involved, timing etc all wrong.
    2. Witness who sent email to say he saw incident with his nephew was lying, and has admitted he never saw it. He is incidentally a serving Police officer.
    3. Police log is false, says there is lots of witnesses outside the gate, CCTV shows empty street.
    4. A M subsequently recorded a meeting he had with the Police. Police gave a different account of that meeting immediately after it happened to press and said A M's position was untenable. The Police representative looked very uncomfortable when interviewed by Ch4

    Essentially he has been had, no two ways about it.

    Posted 11 years ago #

51. DaveC
    Member

    Min said "It turns out that the supposed witness, who is also a police officer, is a big fat liar as they were nowhere near Downing Street at the time and the CCTV corroborates this".

    Yet the news said the two officers on the gate are sticking to their initial recorded report or what took place. This other officer appears to be overly keen on defending their collegues by fabricating something. Shame really as the original story appears to remain true but the fact that someone else wrongly tried to back officers up by not telling the truth may derail the whole thing.

    I think its a little over the top to demand an enquiry on this when, last week the news that a Gov't agency colaborated with loyalist terrorists over the murder of Pat Finucane, which wasn't given a public enquiry but, only resulted in it investigated by a senior lawyer.

    Posted 11 years ago #

52. Min
    Member

    Yet the news said the two officers on the gate are sticking to their initial recorded report or what took place. This other officer appears to be overly keen on defending their collegues by fabricating something.

    Then why did the police log also record all these crowds of invisible witnesses? I think Baldcyclists summary, er sums it up pretty well.

    Posted 11 years ago #

53. Baldcyclist
    Member

    THe Police log also said there were witnesses outside the gates taking stills, and video recording the exchange.

    Funny that none of that stuff has appeared on YouTube, I would have thought that would appeared within hours in this day and age?

    Posted 11 years ago #

54. chdot
    Admin

    "Funny that none of that stuff has appeared on YouTube"

    Indeed.

    Even stranger that CCTV didn't become public sooner.

    Definitely in the realms of 'you couldn't make it up' - except of course the bits that seem to have been...

    Posted 11 years ago #

55. DaveC
    Member

    I've not seen the cctv, it either been taken down or was swapped with hits? Is it date and time stamped?

    My earlier comment was from what I saw on the news lastnight.

    Posted 11 years ago #

56. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Yes, CCTV is time coded.

    The Ch4 link chdot posted earlier is what was shown on Ch 4 News last night I beleive, and well worth a watch.

    The journalist involved seems to be getting lots of plaudits today for a great piece of investigative journalism, and a lot of envious stares too probably. I can just see Nick Robinson pulling the last of his hair out today.

    Posted 11 years ago #

57. Dave
    Member

    Bottom line to all of this? If your occupation puts you at any vulnerability to the public eye whatsover, a £50 investment in a headcam might be wise.

    He could have hung the Met by the neck nicely, letting them say whatever they had concocted then publishing the footage...

    Posted 11 years ago #

58. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick) tweeted at 2:08pm - 19 Dec 12:

    Downing St policeman to a TV colleague today: "Strange that, every cameraman who's been in this morning says they don't work for Channel 4."

    (https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/281400654658945024)

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #

59. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/28/lebgate-file-contains-no-evidence-that-police-lied

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21969990

    Posted 11 years ago #

60. Charterhall
    Member

    The Times and the Guardian reported that the police files sent to the Crown Prosecution Service contained "no evidence" that Downing Street police officers lied about their account of the incident.

    Well they wouldn't, would they ?

    Posted 11 years ago #

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