"So, axing part of the scheme is effectively costing money"
Surprised they are even doing Phase 1 then!
Though 'they' ignore CBAs when it comes to cycling facilities...
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"Edinburgh-Glasgow rail link faces three-year delay"
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Posted 10 years ago #
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Have not seen the calculations and won't pretend to understand how they're
made upworked out. I know they managed to make the Borders Rail look rubbish in the business case too. I assume that the Forth Replacement Crossing has been worked out so that it's actually a massive concrete money-printing machine.Posted 10 years ago # -
"I assume that the Forth Replacement Crossing has been worked out so that it's actually a massive concrete money-printing machine."
Well you know the answer to that! (Especially since they abolished tolls.)
But it does highlight the basis of such guestimations.
Part of the justification for the new bridge was that the old one was 'broken' - but they didn't wait to see if fixable - or how much that would cost.
Perhaps they should have got Amazon to pay for a new bridge as (presumably) they will be major beneficiaries.
But wait, SG paid for them to be in Fife(?) which then helped the case/need for new bridge(?)
Oh it's so complicated and providing for bicycles too simple...
Posted 10 years ago # -
However, Phase 2 (effectively the bit of EGIP that KB axed) is only happening after 2025.
In other words it is highly unlikely to happen at all. Of course there could be several changes of government before then, with differing transport priorities.....well we can but hope.
Posted 10 years ago # -
"Cost of improving Glasgow to Edinburgh rail line 'up by £90m' "
In December the transport minister opened a £25m redevelopment of Haymarket station, which he said was "on time and on budget".
However, improvement works at Queen Street, including lengthening platforms and integrating the station with the neighbouring Buchanan Galleries shopping centre, have more than doubled in cost from £49m to £120m.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25917817
The cost of the minister's uncosted filletting comes back to bite him on the erse.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Comments on that last story very laid back. Given the multiple routes to Glasgow shutting the main queen St station does not seem to be a problem?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Given the ridiculous %age of end to end passengers on the E&G it is fair to say most affected will be well accustomed to the new routine of using the other routes. In the case of the Queen St works we even keep direct trains to everywhere, just diverted a little.
Chaos it won't be, a minor inconvenience for regular travellers for at most one week until new waking up times settle in.
Posted 8 years ago # -
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Transport Scotland (@transcotland)
24/07/2015 15:10
@kiltedbiggles @NetworkRailEGIP We'll start to introduce new Hitachi trains during 2017, with 42 min service scheduled to start end of 2018"
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Ah 42 min...
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Timings for the proposed service had been established in 1968 trials. Early that year push-pull tests were carried out between Doncaster, Peterborough and Pyewipe using nine Mk.1s, and converted BSK (Brake Corridor Second) driving trailer powered by a 37 or 47. The set moved to Scotland with testing starting late February, and high speed trials on Sundays through April. On the first two dates a Type 3 was tested on five and six coach sets, running end to end over the 47.25 mile route in 40.5 min at speeds of up to 105 mph. On the third Sunday, Type 4 trials, a 47 should have been used but a last minute failure prevented the use of the test train, and a Class 50 and six AB were substituted and hauled conventionally each way - the 50 was not planned for testing on this date. Local newspapers claimed the reported 109 mph achieved was with "Kestrel" which certainly was not the case.
The ScR tested several permutations of stops and set 42 min for Haymarket only; 49 min Haymarket, Linlithgow, Lenzie; 50 min Haymarket, Falkirk Grahamston; 62.5 min Haymarket, Linlithgow, Polmont, Falkirk Grahamston, Croy, Lenzie; and 58 min Haymarket, Linlithgow, Polmont, Falkirk High, Croy, Lenzie; returning in 41.5, 49, 49.5, 62, and 57 min. It is important to note these test runs were to acquire timing data only - not to prove push-pull working.
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Posted 8 years ago # -
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Work on the 42-mile link is at least £32 million over budget and seven months late because of the wire bungle.
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Posted 7 years ago # -
Alternatively -
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Overhead catenary installed on the main line between Edinburgh and Glasgow won’t have to be taken down and replaced, says Network Rail, as some press reports have claimed.
A report by Glasgow Live stated that parts of the newly fitted OLE would have to be “ripped up and started again” as they had been strung too low. Similar stories were run by the Sunday Post and the Edinburgh Evening News.
Responding to the coverage, Network Rail said the wires had been installed at the correct height and that it was only at some stations and bridges where it was having to review clearances.
The issue which has arisen because of a change in the European OLE TSI standards introduced in 2014 – two years after work began on the project.
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http://www.globalrailnews.com/2016/09/07/network-rail-egip-overhead-lines-wont-have-to-be-restrung/
Posted 7 years ago # -
I look forward to the front page retraction from the chipwrapper.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Anyone know if solid conductors are being used in place of catenary, under the bridges with low clearance? Presumably needs a damped transition section though to minimise damage to the pantograph at high speed.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@Arellcat I know they're using a conductor bar in the Queen Street and Winchburgh tunnels, not sure about bridges. Think they're just lifting them all?
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Footage of one of ScotRail’s new Japanese-built Hitachi trains being tested in the Czech Republic was released today.
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Posted 7 years ago # -
I don't think I was far off the mark when I quipped that these new units have all the design aesthetic of an East German telephone box.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Ossi phone booths were positively jaunty compared to the lumpen Class 385s, kaputnik
Hopefully the trains will come without Stasi operators
http://www.phonebox.info/europe/GER-TelH78_6.StuckUniplatz_2.jpg
Posted 7 years ago # -
Still, at least the inside is beautiful:
https://www.dca-design.com/work/hitachi-class-385-train-interiors-abellio-scotrail
Oh, wait...
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Delays to the electrification of the railway line between Edinburgh and Glasgow were caused as a result of negotiating a legislation “minefield”, MSPs have heard.
Project leaders admitted they could have reacted faster to changes in European standards that had a major impact on the work.
They appeared before Holyrood’s Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee to explain why the scheme has been delayed by seven months to July 2017.
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Posted 7 years ago # -
"The tables between four seats will provide enough space for four laptops, unlike the current narrower ones."
Oh thank goodness for that. Now everyone can play battle of the laptops, while 'accidentally' kicking each other's shins. Yippee!
Posted 7 years ago # -
a legislation “minefield”
Nevertheless, it is kind of Network Rail's job to negotiate said "minefield", so you'd have thought they might be able to manage it...
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Plans to speed up journeys by electrifying the main Edinburgh-Glasgow rail line have been delayed again, transport minister Humza Yousaf told MSPs today.
He announced Network Rail had said a "safety-critical" component had failed, which would affect the planned start of electric trains in July.
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Posted 6 years ago # -
a "safety-critical" component
Must be something big. Maybe a power station? The signals?
Less facetiously, logically it must be something to do with having overhead lines. Perhaps a design flaw in the breakers in the transforming stations?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Everything on the railway is safety critical
It's like a guard announcing 'we're at a stand at a red signal'- appeasing to the public but ultimately meaningless. And that's what makes this news all the more intriguing/puzzling
Posted 6 years ago # -
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It is understand the faulty equipment is part of the overhead power lines may have to be replaced over the entire 46-mile route.
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So something to do with hanging/insulating the wire(?)
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Read the comments Second comment down seems to have a technical description:
"10:57 PM on 18/05/2017
The fault is to do with the mechanical coupling of the overhead wires to the tensioning system at regular points across the route; about every kilometre. The tensioning system is designed to keep the overhead wire lengths really tight, so they don't sag in hot weather, high winds or when loaded with snow. The ends of the copper wires in one or two locations are slipping through the couplings and are not being gripped properly. The couplings are of a design used throughout the world. They have an internal swedge and ferrule type arrangement designed to grip the wire harder the more the wire is pulled. The cause of the wire slippage will have to be identified. It may be installation error, or a manufacturing defect or tolerance error. This will require mechanical testing and refitting of all similar wire couplings along the route or replacement with a coupling design by another manufacturer if the fault can't be identified. The wires are under considerable tension which makes removing and replacing the couplings quite tricky."Posted 6 years ago #
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