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  • Started 11 years ago by ExcitableBoy
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  1. crowriver
    Member

    Very interesting.

    none of whom drive or are learning to drive
    Probably next year, though?

    quite an extensive list from children who don't drive!
    No doubt years of listening in the back seat of the car to parents grumbling about ****ing cyclists "getting in the way".

    They couldn't have rattled off their times tables as easily.
    That's what calculators are for.

    Anyway, I thought Scots teenagers were all too busy getting drunk and having sex? Oh, that's the 15 year olds...

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  2. recombodna
    Member

    I hear that from younger kids. eg 'My mum hates cyclists' When we were on the nippie sweetie a wee boy came up to a group of us and said " excuse me yooz were blocking the whole road''..... much to the chagrin of his mother.......

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  3. chdot
    Admin

    now in print -


    Why more and more children cycle to school

    Cycling to school is becoming
    more popular than ever.

    Cycling to school is great
    for kids.
    It's a fun way to get exercise and
    healthier kids are happier, more
    self-confident and find it easier
    to concentrate in class.

    Cycling to school Is great for
    drivers.
    With more children cycling to
    school, fewer parents have to do
    the school run. This cuts down
    on traffic congestion for people
    commuting to work and makes
    the drive quicker and easier.

    Cycling to school Is great for
    parents.
    It means your child is getting
    a large portion of their 60
    minutes of daily exercise just
    by going to school. It gives kids
    independence and freedom,
    boosting their self-confidence.
    It means you don't have to ferry
    them to school, saving you time.
    And it's free.

    But you probably know all that
    already. What you perhaps
    didn't know, are the lengths
    we're going to, to make
    cycling to school safer than it's
    ever been.

    Cycle training helps build your
    child's confidence.
    The Bikeability Scotland scheme
    has replaced the training many
    of us received when we were
    kids. It's designed to be fun and
    informative and gives children
    the skills they need to cycle on
    today's roads. There are three
    levels of Bikeability Scotland,
    which starts out with basic
    skills in the playground, and
    progresses right through to
    making independent journeys
    on the road network. 70% of
    Scotland's schools are already
    delivering Bikeability Scotland
    training, with more joining the
    scheme every year.

    Cycle Friendly Schools.
    More and more of Scotland's
    schools are becoming Cycle
    Friendly Schools. The award is
    given to schools that support
    cycling as part of the school
    culture by providing the right
    facilities, training and promotion
    to encourage children to travel
    by bike. There are over 130 Cycle
    Friendly Schools in Scotland,
    covering 36,000 pupils.

    Safer roads.
    The common
    perception
    seems to
    be that the
    roads today
    are more
    dangerous
    than ever, but
    that's really
    not true. The
    number of children involved in
    an accident cycling to school
    has halved in the last ten years,
    and the number of children
    hurt by cycling in general has
    declined by 76% in that time.
    In 2010 around 16,000 children
    were cycling to school on a
    regular basis, yet there were just
    13 reported accidents.

    Support the campaign and
    give kids cycle space.
    Despite all that, we know that
    letting children cycle to school is
    still a concern for some parents.
    That's why we're asking drivers
    everywhere to look out for
    child cyclists, slow down when
    passing them and give them as
    much space on the roads as
    possible. Our national Give Me
    Cycle Space campaign alms
    to create greater awareness of
    children cycling to school and
    make the school gates a more
    cycle friendly place.

    www cycllngscotland.org

    Over 36,000 children already
    go to a Cycle Friendly School

    Over 16,000 children already
    cycle to sckool regularly.

    70% of Scotland's schools
    deliver Bikeability training.

    Using quiet roads and cycle paths
    can help you avoid busier roads.

    20mph zones around schools
    make cycling safer than ever.

    Why more and more
    children cycle to school

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  4. AIMC
    Member

    Speaking with 3 Mums at local Primary School on Friday. They would love to cycle to school with their children (they currently walk to school) but they are nervous and unsure about correct road position – children before/after and what to do when road narrows.
    chdot - “If you are talking about schools, just needs two or three parents willing to do the same route at the same time each day.”
    These parents would definitely give it a go if someone competent and knowledgeable did the school run with them a few times. Any volunteers out there?

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  5. Roibeard
    Member

    @AIMC - my preference is for two abreast, with the child on the inside. Only dropping into single file, secondary position, when it is safe to do so. In single file, the child is in front, so can still be observed.

    Similarly for three children, two up front, followed by the final child and the adult on the outside.

    For just two kids, I'm less certain - I ended up with myself and younger child leading with the older child trailing behind. This was never entirely satisfactory as gaps opened up too frequently.

    The outside position carries with it a bit more responsibility as you're controlling the traffic more, and calling/deciding when to drop into single file.

    I'm now grooming the eldest for more independent cycling, so I've placed her in the front outside position, and I'm now trailing so that I can observe her and coach as necessary. I'm much less comfortable with this, but it seems necessary to develop her skills!

    Robert

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  6. Claggy Cog
    Member

    @AIMC What is the local primary school?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Uberuce
    Member

    Safety and confidence are often two different animals.

    For safety you want the pro at the back so he or she can take as aggressive a primary as is needed.

    For confidence you want the pro at the front so the novice knows where to put the bike.

    If there's a solution to this obvious logical trap, please tell me what it is. It's have two pros, I know.

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    "If there's a solution to this obvious logical trap, please tell me"

    Simple answer (apart from more than one adult) is to do both.

    Lead and show and then let them go ahead while you observe what they have learned.

    As always - depends on 'circumstances'. Busyness, road width etc.

    'Continuous risk assessment.'

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  9. chdot
    Admin

    Welcome AIMC.

    "They would love to cycle to school with their children"

    That's good to hear!

    Presumably there are already some parents cycling who could help.

    "Any volunteers out there?"

    I'm sure there are a few people here who c/would help.

    Might be better if, initially, a 'session' was organised at a w/e - probably less traffic and no stress of 'getting to school on time'.

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  10. chdot
    Admin

    @AIMC suggest you direct those parents (and others) to http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/?customlink=1

    - you can put in a 'to' pin for your school so they can start looking at route possibilities.

    CycleStreets is usually good at finding routes/cut throughs that not everyone is aware of.

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  11. Greenroofer
    Member

    On the general point about giving cyclists space, I still remember something I saw on TV years and years and years ago.

    It was a documentary about police drivers, and in this case we were riding with a police driver escorting an ambulance at high speed through a busy city. He was giving a running commentary as he powered across the city with lights flashing and sirens wailing. As he approached one junction with the ambulance close behind he said "I'm making it clear that we're going to need lots of room here". I think he was referring to his road position and his need to get drivers well out of his way.

    Now it's hard to miss two emergency vehicles in full cry, but it's interesting how he felt he needed 'lots of room' all the same.

    I suspect that many cyclists don't assertively make it clear that they, too, need 'lots of room'. This must be particularly difficult to teach to less-confident children...

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  12. chdot
    Admin

    "

    City Council has passed a new bicycle safety ordinance requiring vehicles to maintain a three-foot passing distance when passing bicyclists, and banning cars from driving or parking in bike lanes.

    "

    http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/05/cincinnati-receives-national-bicycle-award-announces-bike-share-feasibility-study

    Not Edinburgh then...

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  13. DaveC
    Member

    I can't help my family as I live an hour out of town but I can help others in town. If you (AIMC) want to have a go at cycling in to school, I and I'm sure one or two others could offer help riding with you. Of course I'd probably have to ride to work after seeing the children in school.

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  14. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Tim Kraan (@timkraan)

    18/06/2012 19:13

    Ontario needs a one-meter passing rule for cyclists, coroner says http://bit.ly/M5NyIS #bikeTO

    "

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