So, now had confirmation that the no cycling markings are illegal and will be removed as soon as is reasonably possible, "in the next few weeks".
Robert
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Infrastructure
Innocent Path
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Posted 6 years ago #
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@Roibeard
Well done. Any chance of leveraging this response with councillors 'The illegal and stupid bit is gone thank you, can you please now remove the stupid bits too?'
Posted 6 years ago # -
I don't know why I bothered, I knew even before I started I would get a bland, do-nothing response like this. I really feel like CEC is proactively anti-cyclist.
Its only NCR#1, so who would they even bother to consult Sustrans or Spokes - seems crazy.
I refer to your correspondence below with regards to the consultation exercise that was undertaken for the Magdelene Glen improvements.There was an extensive consultation process for the park improvements that was carried out in several stages over 2 years.
The first stage of consultation was designed to identify the what location within the park local resident and park users wanted the new play area to be installed. To obtain as many views as possible local residents were sent a letter and staff engaged with people in the park to make them aware of the project and complete a survey. Posters were also erected in the park asking for opinions via a web page or by letter. The results of this consultation allowed us to develop more detailed plans.
The second stage of the consultation was to present a detailed plan, developed from the comments received from the first stage of the consultation, to the community. Again these design were posted within the park itself. We attended public meetings where attendees expressed their views on the equipment and other park related issues. One of the major issues raised at these meetings was the speed and inconsideration of some cyclists.
From the comments received from stages one and two of the consultation process, some refinements were made to plan, specifically measures to reduce the risk of pedestrian/cyclist conflict. This was then circulated to the community and agreed.
I have attached a couple of pictures of the current blocks in place. As you can see the up stand present is minimal. This would be acceptable for a pedestrian dropped kerb on the footway to allow anyone with mobility issues to easily traverse. The upstand is also within the tolerance of corduroy paving surface which is commonly used on shared and segregated cycle paths on the public road.
While I appreciate that neither Spokes or Sustrans were directly involved in the consultation, it did reach a wide audience. I do however, note your comment and in future we will ensure that both are added as standard consultees on any future improvements works in parks where cyclists are permitted.
With regards to Magdelene Glens status as a community park is defined in the city of Edinburgh Council Open Space Stratgey which can be found at this link, http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20178/park_management_and_rules/427/open_space_strategy.
I hope the above is of assistance.
Thanks
Darren Ryan - Local Transport and Environment Manager - Place - City of Edinburgh Council - East Neighbourhood Centre, 101 Niddrie Mains Rd, Edinburgh, EH16 4DS - Tel: 0131 529 3750 - darren.ryan@edinburgh.gov.uk
Posted 6 years ago # -
I do however, note your comment and in future we will ensure that both are added as standard consultees on any future improvements works in parks where cyclists are permitted.
If nothing else, the fuss we've kicked up has achieved this (I'm not aware of any parks where cyclists aren't permitted, either).
Posted 6 years ago # -
My daughter was told she would have to leave the Botanics - no riding allowed.
She was on a balance bike. She was 2.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Warning - glass on the Innocent. Somewhere on the east end between the tunnel and Bingham. My rule is never to use the eastern half of the Innocent when it's wet. But I keep doing it when I can't face the traffic. The risk of glass punctures is too high though and on a wet day you can't see the glass to avoid it. If it were cars getting so many punctures it would get fixed. I saw two others with the same problem.
Posted 6 years ago # -
those lovely rumble strips on the Innocent are already losing their bricks, and these weren't even the loose ones.
Bring on those dark winter nights when these'll make a lovely surprise.
Posted 6 years ago # -
I told the dolt that installed them that this would happen. Ratty follow-up e-mail to councillor needed. May I link to your image?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Iain McR, Have you raised a report with Clarence? I hope it's not required but if anyone does hit it on a cold dark winter morning then the evidence the council knew about the danger and ignored it might be crucial.
Posted 6 years ago # -
reported on the CEC website yes.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Just reviving this.
Someone must have some updates(?)
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Posted 5 years ago #
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Someone must have some updates(?)
All emails to council officers involved were politely responded to, along the lines of "Yes...but no. We consulted."
Some loose bricks have been replaced. Some haven't. Some have been replaced with even lumpier bits of tar.
A crude analysis of Strava data suggests no effect on cyclist speeds.
Chicanes are all still there, but the council's active travel team are apparently going to conduct a city-wide review of chicanes, bollards etc. when resources allow.
Posted 5 years ago # -
Thanks
Posted 5 years ago # -
There are roadworks at the underpass near The Range at the eastern end of the Innocent. These have cyclists dismount signs.
Posted 4 years ago # -
@amir I managed to avoid them, not out of design but purely because I fancied mixing my route up a bit this morning...
Posted 4 years ago # -
Signed diversion along Niddrie Mains Road.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Quite a detour but the issue is getting under the railway again and also the massive building works happening in all the bits shown as grass on the old aerial shot spokes have posted.
At Oman’s you can turn left and just go straight along to niddriemills primary school if it was not for all the new houses and the new version of castle Brae high school, being constructed.
Posted 3 years ago # -
This closure has been added here -
Not clear if some other things are still ‘live’.
Posted 3 years ago #
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