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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  1. chdot
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    “they believe the UK of GB&NI to be so wonderful”

    Possibly.

    Certainly they believe they need to carry out the “will of the British People” - or at least the ones they think they understand/agree with.

    I think it’s clear that some people voted Leave with the understanding of some level of isolation and the hope that somehow it might make things ‘better’. Stopping immigration was only one element.

    Other Leavers of course believe that ‘free from the red tape shackles of the EU’ BRITAIN will be able to dominate/ravage the rest of the world (only in a free trade sense of course...).

    Some of these FreeTraders, no doubt, excepted the EU to collapse allowing more opportunities/less organised competition.

    There is the extra narrative (from all sides) that ‘people didn’t vote to be poorer’.

    Apart from being an unknowable, the chances are that most people didn’t think about it, or assumed that the side of the bus promise and ‘no more of our money sent to Brussels’ ‘fact’ meant everyone would be better off.

    A small percentage would even be ok about being worse off if it made some things got better - whatever they were hoping for.

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  2. LaidBack
    Member

    Scottish leavers (30% of Indy supporters?) also believed that...
    ‘free from the red tape shackles of the EU’ BRITAIN Scotland will be able to dominate/ravage do quite well.

    Who are these Indy Leavers and why is Tom Harris and UKIP Cockburn all we get?

    I do know of people who believe that crashing the economy will result in the future they want.

    Right wingers think it will make us all more British as we revert to tribalism. Tesco's new 'Jack' supermarket is part of this move. Aldi and Lidl play to Scottish version of flag arrays.

    Indy supporters think it will result in Scottish self government as we are the only part of the UK not to get what we voted for.

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  3. paddyirish
    Member

    A lot of the Tory Right expect to make personal (political or financial) gain out of Brexit and specifically a no deal Brexit.

    I don't think that they are necessarily nationalist per se but this has led them to get in bed with the racists and nationalists to help them achieve their main goal.

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  4. chdot
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    “why is Tom Harris and UKIP Cockburn all we get?”

    Indeed.

    Don’t hear Cockburn that much, but Harris is exactly the sort of person the BBC should be more wary about having on too often if they are concerned about any notions of “balance”.

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  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This is spot on;

    The government has never understood the Brexit process and therefore has always botched it. It expects the EU to treat the UK both as an equally powerful third country, and as a member state still deserving the EU’s protection. It is neither. And so in a battle of red lines, the UK will lose. That is the most brutal lesson of all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/21/brexit-chequers-salzburg-irish-sea-customs-union

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  6. I were right about that saddle
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  7. chdot
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    May: EU must respect UK in Brexit talks

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45603192

    Why?

    Hard to respect serial petulance -

    In a statement at Downing Street she said for EU leaders to reject her plan with no alternative at this "late stage of negotiations" was "not acceptable".

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    Can see with sound off

    https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1043137910164410370

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. LaidBack
    Member

    Look... the choice is simple.

    1. A no deal.
    2. A no, no deal.

    Looks like we may soon have parity with the Euro which makes quoting bikes easier for us.

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  10. chdot
    Admin

    But how will you get them through customs??

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    Deal or nono deal?

    Depends at what stage the DUP says no, No, NO.

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  12. LaidBack
    Member

    "But how will you get them through customs??"

    Easy dear boy. Like most of the elite (joke) we'll simply sign up to trusted courier schemes. Shares in TNT, DHL, UPS, DPS are going up as we speak.
    These companies already do UKGovs work for them collecting duty for a small fee. We get items coming in direct from Taiwan before they get flagged as European and we simply settle up our bills with private co. They take a cut and pass on to HMRC. Their 'commission' as agents of gov is vatted so gov gets something back again.
    Frictionless borders of the future will be lubricated with customers money! (Many of these courier companies are based in EU which is quite amusing)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. Morningsider
    Member

    Laidback - DPD is owned by France's state owned "La Poste" and DHL by Deutsche Post (minority state holding), so another Brexit bonus for the dastardly Europeans!

    The last 24 hours have been the most extraordinary in UK politics that I can remember. A PM literally denying reality, open warfare in the governing party, an opposition missing in action, a UK PM openly mocked by close allies.

    It genuinely looks like a no-deal now - no-one in a position to do so will pull the brake on Article 50, so we will simply run out of time and crash out of the EU.

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  14. unhurt
    Member

    I feel sick... And angry. None of this will be forgotten or forgiven. Every one of of our "leaders" and useless opposition are on my List.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. chdot
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  17. LaidBack
    Member

    Gibralter? Assume the last government of the UK have got proposal for that.

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  18. chdot
    Admin


    Labour party deputy speaks out as poll shows 86% of members want second referendum

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/22/tom-watson-corbyn-members-brexit-vote-second-referendum-labour-party-poll

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. chdot
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  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The long awaited day has arrived when the government of the UK of GB&NI has announced that the natural course of events following its flagship policy is that all aviation between that country and its neighbours will cease in 200 days time;

    If the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 with no agreement in place, UK and EU licensed airlines would lose the automatic right to operate air services between the UK and the EU without seeking advance permission.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
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    I do like a bit of bleak humour;

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/24/mays-plan-to-give-stormont-a-backstop-veto-enrages-eu-envoys

    Giving Stormont a veto over the UK's relationship with the EU really would be the jet black cherry on the Satanic sponge cake.

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  22. Morningsider
    Member

    IWRATS - the media have possibly missed what could potentially bring UK, and possibly a big part of EU, aviation to a standstill. All pilot, engineer, cabin crew and air traffic controller, maintenance company licences issued by the UK Civil Aviation Authority are currently recognised throughout the EU. This would cease on a no-deal exit day - this could mean a UK licensed pilot could no-longer fly an EU airline plane, a UK licensed engineer couldn't maintain an EU country registered plane etc. Given the importance of Ryanair, KLM etc. to aviation that would be a disaster:

    Oh - the EU won't recognise the UK aviation security system either, so expect loads more screening of UK passengers.

    I suppose you could always get a coach instead - or maybe not...

    Details: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/aviation-safety-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/aviation-safety-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

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  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Morningsider

    Might it be easier to list the things the UK media haven't missed?

    Technical regulations and foreigners seem not to be their thing, but they are the heart of the matter don't you think?

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  24. unhurt
    Member

    Even if this is sorted out between now & end of March - who would risk booking a flight for that week or some weeks to follow? Seems unwise...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    And owners of cats, dogs and ferrets could have to discuss travel plans with their vet at least four months in advance, depending on what category of “third country” the UK becomes if it quits the EU without a deal.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/latest-papers-confirm-international-travel-could-be-hit-by-a-no-deal-brexit-1-4804711

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  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The UK of GB&NI has been failing to collect import duties correctly whilst under the jurisdiction of the CJEU.

    HMG's plans for the future relationship depend on these duties being correctly corrected outside the jurisdiction of that court.

    Should be fine.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. LaidBack
    Member

    Good news (for speculators).

    Sterling rose for a second day on Tuesday as risk appetite improved and expectations of a Brexit deal grew, prompting investors to buy the pound after a selloff last week.

    Most of the media persist with the belief we could actually stay in. That's the 'no deal', 'no no deal' and 'remain' options that Labour may decide on.

    Sorry - is the possibility of rescinding of Article 50 not the very item that is going to court on insistence of Andy Wightman, Joanna Cherry et al?

    I think the public are getting more disinformation from many journalists as the myth of exceptionalism endures...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    Reading that note it looks like flights to the US should be OK as it's clear a new agreement is required. If anyone is brave enough to book a flight post brexit (or any form of overseas travel) now might be a good time to buy currency or things could get very expensive.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. I were right about that saddle
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  30. acsimpson
    Member

    At least we now know what they are planning on spending their £350million on...

    Posted 5 years ago #

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