Seminar I was at recently about schools as centres for community regeneration had Dalmarnock primary (Parkhead Glasgow, never seen a vegetable) and video from Cincinatti. Both places growing their own vegetables and cooking their own fresh food.
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"Growing Up in Scotland: Overweight, obesity and activity
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“Seminar I was at recently about schools as centres for community regeneration”
Nice to think that ‘food is the answer’, or that ‘my kids came home and taught me what/how to cook’.
But...
I used to do bike projects in school.
The classic one was always ‘can’t ride my bike because it’s got a puncture’. “How do you know?” ‘The tyres are flat.
No pump in household of course. Some did have punctures, but most not.
Kids very keen. Getting parents involved, more difficult.
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So -
Paraphrase/stereotype - cycling is middle class, eating well is middle class. (Not that all middle class people do either).
What’s to be done?
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@chdots, yep, in the Dalmarnock situation the head teacher gets the parents in to cook vegetables. She is a vegetable obsessive. The school is very close to the clydeside cycle route, if ever there was a weegee version of CHdot that school would be the place to start a bike club.
I was joking with Mra Garto at grip us points over the last twenty five years about teachers in the autumn scavenging for leaves down at he botanics. In Dalmarnock, they have never seen a tree. (There are very blackened ones up the Clyde but you would not want to be walking there really, but cycling yes). Anyway they discovered the kids had never kicked their way through leaves in the autumn. So a teacher collected 12 black bin bags of leaves and they brought them into an enclosed area of the playgrounds, scattered them and then got the kids out to kick them about. Thus closing the leaf kicking gap that John SWinney is keen on.
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“that school would be the place to start a bike club“
Which is of course entirely the problem.
One school gets an HT into vegetables.
One school gets an HT into Latin.
Another school gets an HT willing to allow some sort of box ticking thing educationally mixing exercise and transport.
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The one. In Dalmarnock has big input from Church of Scotland PE charity
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“Church of Scotland PE charity”
You made that up...
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Called PEEK
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You made that up...
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Polyether ether ketone
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Oh this one-
“
Possibilities for Each and Every Kid
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http://www.peekproject.org.uk/about-peek/
Doesn’t actually mention a church.
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True, there is a Latin church looking emblem in the list of sponsors. Melody who is the CEO of the charity started as a worker for it. I recall the Heidie saying Church of Scotland involved but have been wrong before. Before it stood for Possibilities for East End Kids but it has grown
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My son started high school last year. He's one of a minority of kids in his class who take school lunches (we pay for them online), which usually involve some veg and proper protein too. Many of his classmates are given money for lunch by parents and go to Subway or Starbucks instead. I wasn't even aware you get lunch in a Starbucks?
It doesn't seem to be a class issue particularly, the kids are from a wide range of backgrounds. Maybe it's more to do with the power of advertising and marketing in shaping the kids' choices (and presumably their parents')? Also possibly that old lingering perception/myth of school dinners as horrible over-cooked mush.
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The charge up to Gorgie for lunch was the only running I did at school, hated queueing, Gregs or the chippy mostly occasionally the roll shop but I'm fairly sure that there still isn't a Starbucks in Gorgie. The Mcdonalds opened in Fifth year but almost never went.
BBC balance, I also charged for the dinner hall (in the playground) at lunchtime when I was on free dinners. I still hate queuing.
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I'm fairly sure that there still isn't a Starbucks in Gorgie.
I think Fountain Park would be the closest.
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Yeah queuing.
Last school I went to I started with school dinners, perfectly adequate, but slow process. Plus only one of my associates had school dinners so not that sociable either.
So mostly packed lunches in a plastic box.
Out of school eating wasn’t really a thing. No real concept of ‘takeaway’ apart from chippies.
As with so many things ‘things are different now’.
Clearly there are issues of ‘food with low nutrition’, large portions, ‘comfort food’ constant snacking/eating, ‘retail opportunities’ - takeaways and supermarket offers and the advertising that goes with all this. PLUS less actively due to cars, fewer places to play, stranger danger paranoia.
So (simply) vegetables isn’t “the answer”.
But there are so many ways Govs could address some of the above issues - more than one at a time too.
Now of course Govs are being made to look out of fashion by certain people with (not always clear) vested interests. It’s, apparently, now about ‘what the people want’...
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It’s, apparently, now about ‘what the people want’...
Indeed.
In the case of S1 pupils that seems to be mainly sandwiches: either packed lunch, Subway or a Starbucks panini.
I'm just glad our kids like school dinners!
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Jamie Oliver telling us vegetables good not always received well
But at the parents meal in Dalmarnock when noses were turned up at adding vegetables to the meals the parents were preparing, the head teacher said It's in the recipe put it in.
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We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised
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Sugar is power
Why is Colonel Saunders in the Pentamvirate? (The Queen, The Pope, The Gettys, The Rothschilds and Col. Saunders)
Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes us crave it every 14 days.
This is Mike Myers playing his dad in So I Married An Axe Murderer. (If you ignore the plot a film of sublime cameos). Turns out Mile Myers dad was right - it is sugar.
Orwell tried to educate the poor in Wigan Pier. To eat brown bread (cheaper than white then ) and raw veg.this would a. Save them money and b. Make them healthy
Orwell at best trying to educate the poor. At worst, not so keen on them despite all his shenanigans in Paris and Spain etc
Guess what, the poor declined to follow his dictums.
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'Simple'. Undo the entire thrust of western society 'simply'. On your own.
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Also from link -
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Overall men’s hearts are more fragile than women’s, relative to their age, analysis of the 1.9m test results found.“
I watched the Adrian Chiles programme on his drinking, the most surprising thing was his realisation that the amount he was regularly drinking wasn’t ‘normal’ - I don’t just mean ‘a bit more than recommended levels’.
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Yeah I watched that last week. He was a bit in denial at first, but even when he realised he needed to take action, found it remarkably difficult. Tricky personal issues surfaced occasionally which he was masking with the booze.
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“Watson has eliminated all junk food, processed food, starchy carbohydrates and refined sugar from his diet. He does not even eat bananas because they contain some sugar.”
Is this ‘another fad diet’ or is that ‘extreme’ removal of sugar necessary for some people?
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"He believes that official dietary advice over recent years, to minimise fat intake, is misguided and that a drastic reduction in sugar intake is the single most effective way to tackle Britain’s obesity epidemic."
That's a fair point. Medical advice became obsessed with saturated fat, cholesterol and heart disease, but wily food manufacturers simply created low fat, high sugar foods which have boosted the diabetes epidemic...
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“That's a fair point. Medical advice became obsessed with saturated fat, cholesterol and heart disease, but wily food manufacturers simply created low fat, high sugar foods which have boosted the diabetes epidemic...”
Yep, AND the ‘fat is bad’ guidance is being abandoned (or at least nuanced better).
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"Is this ‘another fad diet’ or is that ‘extreme’ removal of sugar necessary for some people? "
Perhaps for type II diabetics?
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Though a quick google (always to be trusted) indicates fruit is fine
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