CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Infrastructure

Bike wrongly on Road

(39 posts)
  • Started 11 years ago by johnnyboy
  • Latest reply from johnnyboy

No tags yet.


  1. johnnyboy
    Member

    I was cycling up Comiston Road tonight when I got to the Greenbank Terrace junction shown here and as usual there were cars turning right blocking the box junction as there isn't enough room if the light further up is at red. As I was going up, there were two cars blocking both lanes, they were both partially turned and the lanes going down were also being blocked as a car was sticking out into the lane.

    Nobody was moving and I normally try and get to the middle of the road about there as I turn right into the Braidburn Valley and if you don't get into the middle there, then you tak eyour life in your hands nearer the junction.

    My plan was to go up the left (next to the kerb) between the car turning (2 feet or so) and the pavement, then cut between the stationary cars into the middle of the road as usual.

    The cars heading toward town were starting to toot at the 3 cars blocking them as I started then as I pulled level with t he front car, the driver decided to move forward, saw me braked and tooted at me raising her hand in annoyance.

    The traffic started moving as I cut over to the middle and I pointed out as I passed she shouldn't be in the box junction as she tooted at me again as she drew level. At this point, someone heading towards town in what I think was a BMW called me a "f****** a*******" and told me to get off the road.

    I found it quite amusing, a car driver, blocked by cars, takes it out on the cyclist. Of course, I hadn't paid my road tax so was obviously in the wrong and must have caused the hold up...

    When I started moving, I had a green light and the cars were stationary, the driver moved after me then braked. My way through the box junction was clear. That being said, I knew if I didn't go then, I would get boxed in on the wrong side of the road.

    Ah the joys of city cycling....As I turned into the Braidburn, a driver coming down the road waved me though, despite him being able to clear the box there which was very nice of him.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Yes how very strange. I had a van driver "Specialized [sic] Signs" have a go at me this morning because he had decided to block the road by having a window-to-window pow wow with another van driver going the other way.

    I filtered up the middle between the two vans and mentioned the queue of cars and bikes forming behind him.

    For my troubles I got tailgated down the road and some horn treatment.

    Day before I randomly had some pedestrian yell "Obey the F***ing Rules!" as I cycled down the buslane on Gorgie Road just before Chesser. I'm not sure which rule I was meant to be obeying, so I swore loudly back at him, just to make sure.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. retrodirect
    Member

    I can only presume this is because I'm riding fixed and my pedals keep going round until I come to a full stop.

    but I keep pulling up to lights, stopping at the front of the queue of traffic and then having disgruntled pedestrians telling me it's a red light/green man/lights are for you too. This has happened a number of times over the last few months. I've always been too flabberghasted to know what to say.

    does the fact that I trackstand often so I look like I'm going to continue? I don't know.

    Any smart responses for the plain obvious?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Smudge
    Member

    @retrodirect, a while since I've had that one, my answer is nice loud "That's why I've stopped!"

    @Kaputnik, I had one of those not long ago and for once managed a prompt "Learn the ***** rules! I'm legal!"

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Not just roads/cyclists/stray pedestrians (apparently) -

    "Ramsgate girl's hopscotch grid 'sparked Kent Police warning' "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-22475517

    Back OT - presume you've found some of the people who post comments on the ENews website saying 'all cyclists break the law all the time'...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    The good thing I focus on I this one is WE STill have the road.

    I love being cut up by car driver towards lights then filter in front of them

    Such petty victories make my day

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Such petty victories make my day

    Oh yeah, I especially enjoy plonking myself in front of vehicles that are flagrantly occupying an ASL. If they overtook me needlessly or aggressively to get to the front of the queue then I make great play of setting off as slowly as possible, just to annoy them.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. paolobr
    Member

    I usually give ASL-hogging drivers a piteous look and a shake of the head. Actually I do that to a lot of drivers in various situations. And sometimes cyclists. Oh, and pedestrians. Hmmm, I hope no-one's doing it back to me as I weave my way around trying to get past the foul-ups...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Two Tired
    Member

    "If they overtook me needlessly or aggressively to get to the front of the queue then I make great play of setting off as slowly as possible, just to annoy them."

    I don't get the point of this really. I see no point in agravating bad drivers, if they are going to cut you up when they are calm then who knows what they might do when they are deliberately annoyed. In my mind, if I get a close pass etc from a car coming up to a junction then yes I'm annoyed at them, but I'm also glad that they are now in front of me and Im out of their danger zone.

    I'm definitely in favour of ASL but in some cases its just safer to hold the lane in the queue of traffic. And can result in less bad feeling towards cyclist. I cycle up the hill to King's buildings every day from Slatford and the number of cyclists that shoot forward to the ASL only to hold up a massive queue of traffic up going up the hill just seems senseless. We share the roads with cars, sometimes I think we forget that.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. "I don't get the point of this really. I see no point in agravating bad drivers"

    Completely and utterly agree (I tend to do the opposite and race off the line to show them that over 20-30 yards I'm quicker away than them anyway). I do pull into an ASL in primary, but that's more an "I'm here, look, here, in front of you, so wasn't that overtake silly."

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    While I agree with Two Tired and Mr Cow on staying in line when access to an ASL is blocked, because I usually do the same, johnnyboy's junction is an exception. The timing of the traffic lights is poor, and the amount of traffic it carries is high, and the space available for cyclists is minimal. Add lunar terrain and it being on a hill and you get the idea.

    This is why I use Braid Road and Braidburn Terrace instead, assuming I can get through on the very short green light phase to cross Comiston Road.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. Sorry, I confused matters there. I do generally filter (unless I know the lights are about to change), I don't pull away deliberately slowly to annoy the driver who has just been a muppet.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. cb
    Member

    Does anyone else feel that, on the bike, they are always /much/ faster across the junction than the following cars?

    But... in the car, the cyclist ahead is always slow and dawdling.

    I don't actually think that we cyclists are as fast off the line as we like to think. But don't know how to prove that.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Bhachgen
    Member

    Depends on whether I get the track stand right or not. Clipped in and nicely balanced and I reckon I can get off the line pretty sharpish. Get a wobble on and put the left foot down just as the lights are changing it's another story...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. SRD
    Moderator

    @wc i knew what you meant _and_ agreed with you :)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    I'm definitely in favour of ASL but in some cases its just safer to hold the lane in the queue of traffic. And can result in less bad feeling towards cyclist.

    May I clarify I don't do this if it's an HGV, bus, etc. Cars are fair game though I reckon.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    I do pull into an ASL in primary, but that's more an "I'm here, look, here, in front of you, so wasn't that overtake silly."

    I don't really see much difference with what I'm doing, except for my painfully slow start, whistling nonchalantly as I go.....but only if the driver was a knob beforehand.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. sallyhinch
    Member

    I don't pull away slowly on a bike, but when I'm crossing on a zebra (as a pedestrian, I hasten to add) and I've practically had to force the driver to stop by stepping out in front of them, then boy can I be slow getting across that road. Never actually dropped something and scrabbled about looking for it, but I have been tempted. I am working on the assumption that *most* drivers won't kill you from a standing start...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. "I don't really see much difference with what I'm doing, except for my painfully slow start, whistling nonchalantly as I go.....but only if the driver was a knob beforehand."

    I don't deliberately hold them up. I pull in to primary if the lights are red, then, as mentioned, pull away quickly at the green.

    So there's only one difference... But pretty germane to the pointin that it means I deal with it in the exact opposite manner...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. DrAfternoon
    Member

    I'm sympathetic to crowriver's approach, but I fall somewhere in the middle. I move into primary and move off slightly more slowly than I would normally, calculated to be just enough to negate any advantage they've gained. Mostly imperceptible and fairly pointless, but does help preserve a calm state of mind when one is otherwise behaving very well, and faced by those who are not.

    Can also depend on just how badly they're occupying the box. If they're right up to the front of it then I'll end up in front of them with the bike almost side on, which inevitably slows my start.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    I had a guy reverse out of the ASL the other day after I did my 'that's the stop line back there ya'know' thing.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    I am working on the assumption that *most* drivers won't kill you from a standing start...

    I'm working on a similar assumption. It's more satisfying to hold up an impatient driver for...what, all of a few seconds, than it is to get lippy with him/her, argue, swear, etc. Mainly because I know for sure that is what that particular diver cannot abide, but it looks like I'm just accidentally, rather than deliberately slow.

    Very rarely will I look back at the driver when I pull this manoeuvre, because some hot heads will take that as a deliberate affront - "he looked at me in a funny way, your honour, I couldn't help 'clipping' his back wheel, my blood was boiling in a moment of madness", etc.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. minus six
    Member

    show them a clean pair of heels every time

    better that, than conform to the stereotype of

    slow, too slow, must pass, must punish

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. Min
    Member

    I have only ever done that once when one woman was so desperate to get that few feet close to the red light that she actually drove into my right brake lever.

    If I did it everytime a driver went into the ASL it was always take me ages to get anywhere.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. Worth pointing out that a car can legitimately and legally find itself in an ASL so also only really worth making a point of if you've seen the driver do wrong (though I appreciate we're talking of cases of last minute passing).

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. Instography
    Member

    I generally find drivers to be OK.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. Nelly
    Member

    Insto - agreed, same as everyone else - most good, some silly.

    @Johnnyboy, in my experience, there is a world of difference between leisure cycling (where I rarely find conflict) and the, on occasion, stupidity of the daily commute.

    To generalise - most people seem to be in a huge rush to either get somewhere (work / nursery) or get home which feeds some more basic instincts - I think they would just as easily have raged at someone else in a car but yesterday it happened to be you on a bike.

    Compared to a car v car situation, you are an easy target - at least in a car you can turn up the radio and wind up windows to ignore the loony rantings.

    The most dangerous thing in your situation is not the rantings, but that (inevitably) someone becomes impatient and pulls a maneouver with no mirror and sideswipes you.

    Thats why we all have ninja senses ;-)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. Smudge
    Member

    Worth remembering amongst all this that it is not a given that the driver in question is "anti-bicycle", some are just stupid/ignorant to all other road users.
    As some will know I ride a motorcycle sometimes which can be more than a little nippy(!) yet twice yesterday heading home in the rush hour I was tooted at by idiots because I was "only" doing 30mph (in a 30 limit) and "holding them up".

    Both times, I then passed/left them behind effortlessly as soon as soon as we left the restricted areas, had I been on the bicycle I might have assumed they were anti cycle, but actually they were just muppets :-/
    Annoying them further may provide a little satisfaction, as does blitzing past them out of town, but ultimately neither are likely to improve anything :-(

    Other that more traffic police out having chats with idiots, sadly I don't know what will help :-/

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    " it is not a given that the driver in question is "anti-bicycle", some are just stupid/ignorant to all other road users"

    Last week I saw a 'classic' motorbike proceeding at a suitable pace through the potholed section of Holy Corner and on to the sharp bend in Bruntsfield pursued very closely by a taxi that had no chance of overtaking.

    "more traffic police out having chats with idiots"

    Interestingly I heard a 'road safety' person yesterday saying the the (ex) Chief Constable of L&B was keen on education. The new CC of Police Scotland is apparently keener on enforcement.

    We'll see...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Worth remembering amongst all this that it is not a given that the driver in question is "anti-bicycle", some are just stupid/ignorant to all other road users.

    That's another assumption I work on. Yes, there are a minority of drivers who are 'anti' but many are just blissfully unaware of anything outside their own wee bubble: until they crash/swerve/brake hard to narrowly avoid hitting it.

    Posted 11 years ago #

RSS feed for this topic

Reply »

You must log in to post.


Video embedded using Easy Video Embed plugin