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OPERATION TOMBSTONE

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I've been thinking about what might be an effective way of highlighting the appalling recent deaths of cyclists on Scotland's roads.

    Ghost bikes? Well some people (councils) might not like them and either vandalise or remove them. They're also more effective in an urban setting as for impact they require people walking past to see, stop and read the note on them.

    Flash rides? Again most effective in an urban setting and I think anyone involved with PoP knows just how much effort and logistics go into getting 1,000s of people out on the road at short notice. London has a population almost 20 times Edinburgh, higher numbers of cyclists and well organised and funded charities that we just can't hope to match. And this isn't just about Edinburgh.

    There used to be a tradition of delivering things to Westminster to make a point. When they closed the Waverley Line, the campaigners sent a coffin down to the Transport Minister in the last train south.

    Which got me thinking, why don't a bunch of like-minded people (there doesn't need to be many) deliver something impactful to Keith Brown at either the Scottish Parliament or his offices at St. Andrew House.

    I thought a tombstone might be effective. Maybe one huge memorial tombstone (in style of a war memorial), listing the deceased. Build it out of chickenwire and papier mache (it will dry quick in this weather!). Affix it to a trailer. Ride it through town. Photograph it. Deliver it. When it is ultimately refused (as I'm sure it will be), film and photograph it again, then take it someplace public and set it up as a tasteful, impactful memorial.

    I'm happy to cough up for chicken wire and am keen at the old craft and playtime. I'm sure there are a number of junior CCE progeny who might be keen to help out - and it would be immense propaganda value to tweet and blog about children helping to create the thing.

    I hereby throw this idea open to the panel for thoughts, feedback, comments and suggestions?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    "chickenwire and papier mache"

    Plaster would be better.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    papermache over carboard box shape might work, but I defer to chdot's recommendation.

    I can/will help. but would have to be soon.

    even better if we could get one coming down from aberdeen...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    Maybe not with the names of the actual dead. Perhaps a bit distasteful for relatives.

    Given Keith's role for veterans, perhaps a WW1 style grave for 'The Unknown Cyclist'? Faux white marble, think Verdun or the Somme.

    Possibly easier to fabricate using sheet marterial, eg, thin plywood or that stuff estate agent signs are made from. Finish with satin gloss paint in white or a stone colour. Overlay vinyl lettering on the front for the 'chisel cut letters' effect (with the legend on), or just paint it on (need sign writing skills or a good stencil).

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @crowriver - that's a nice idea. Tomb for the unknown cyclist. And score into it the numbers of cyclist KSI for 2011, 2012, 2013.

    I'll sketch something at lunchtime.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Perhaps -

    "In Memory of Another Cyclist"

    They are certainly not unknown.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. SRD
    Moderator

    I think a list of names and ages would be very poignant, but if in bad taste then best not to.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Slightly related -

    I noticed some faded flowers on the railings outside Broughton Primary on Sunday.

    Moving the railings back a few feet would have been a better memorial.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Stickman
    Member

    Good idea.

    The delivery party could follow the lead of the current Halfords advert and have representatives of all cycling "tribes" - MAMILs, commuters, children etc to show that all cyclists are at risk

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    TOP
    ==============
    In Memory of Another Cyclist

    2013 xxxx
    2012 xxxxxxxx
    2011 xxxxx

    Husbands and Wives.
    Sons and Daughters.
    Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles.

    "The latest data on reported road casualties in Scotland... ...provides further encouraging evidence that we are making good progress in driving down road casualties to their lowest ever level"
    Keith Brown MSP, Minster for Transport, June 2013
    ==============
    BOTTOM

    By the way, the war memorial/ wreath idea is splendid as it is one of the things, beyond building motorways and dualling A-roads that KB seems to genuinely care about. He is afterall minister for Veterans too (in case you didn't know Scotland had such a thing!)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. SRD
    Moderator

    I'd leave the KB quote out. people might believe it.

    how about a simple one page press release to go with it indicating rise in road deaths since (?)2007 and esp rural roads? (and - at the risk of re-opening another debate mentioning that scottish data does not show rise in cycling rates?)

    or specifically mentioning that althoguh overall KSIs down, cycling and pedestrian up.

    no need to editorialise. the facts speak for themselves

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The quote is deliberate. This needs to refute the nonsense the Minister spouts.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    oh, are the xxx's numbers of deaths?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    Polystyrene might be a good material

    e.g.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. SRD
    Moderator

    2012 - 9
    2011 - 7

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    Like this:

    Rather than polystyrene, perhaps styrofoam (the blue stuff): easy to carve. Or just make it from plywood (more solid/weighty).

    EDIT - some confusion over terminology in amir's link. It seems what we brits call 'polystyrene' (ie. the white beady packaging stuff) americans call styrofoam, and what we call styrofoam, they call extruded polystyrene. Anyhow, we need the blue (or grey) stuff used in modelling, product design, etc.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. Pocopiglet
    Member

    Foam board (I think that's it's name) which has cardboard on the outside but thin foam in the sandwich would be easy to paint and isn't too expensive. Mount a sheet on the front (plus sides and back for full effect) of a cardboard box then paint. If anyone is good with paint effects then rag rolling or marbling might be possible? Also, the foam board is easy to carve the letters out and then paint the 'space' darker for impact ie like memorial carving.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Getting there!

    Replace cross above with bike wheel?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Hindu cyclists?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. Darkerside
    Member

    Possibly a cog is more obviously 'cyclist'? And would probably take better to being carved, rather than lots of thin spokes.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. Darkerside
    Member

    I'd also be tempted to use the KSI statistics. They are much bigger numbers, and no one could argue that serious injuries gained by cyclists don't also result in the end of a way of life, if not a life itself.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    Use the *total* killed between 2007 and 2012, like this:

    xxx died, 2007-2012

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    A cog could also be misinterpreted:

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. amir
    Member

    "I'd also be tempted to use the KSI statistics. They are much bigger numbers, and no one could argue that serious injuries gained by cyclists don't also result in the end of a way of life, if not a life itself."

    Seconded. As we see sometimes on this forum (e.g http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10634), lower category incidents and even near misses have an effect on people's lives.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Will we get a KSI for 2013 yet? I think we could only estimate a deaths number.

    I wouldn't want to have KSI for 2007-2012 and then just K for 2013 as, without explaining it to all and sundry, layman might assume there's been a big decrease?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I make cyclist deaths in road traffic accidents 6 YTD 2013;

    3 in Aberdeenshire (2 children, 1 adult)
    1 in Kincardine in January
    1 in Gorthleck, Highland in May, individual from Falkirk
    1 in West Lothian recently

    Interestingly but not surprisingly these have all been on A-roads.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. gdm
    Member

    Can I suggest that rather than a wreath - given the hugely emotive links that has - we could simply go with a helmet (or a cap if we want to avoid getting into that debate!).

    Could have some pumps underneath as a sort of skull & crossbones motif if that's not too gruesome.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    I was going to suggest staining the water features blood red but the tombstone idea's better.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator


    in memory by the Magnificent Octopus, on Flickr

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'd like to avoid anything that may give someone a chance to poke a hole in this. So helmets are out incase anyone misinterprets that as us recommending helmets (or otherwise). Blood and anything too military I think should be out too.

    Above is just an idea. It needs to convey Scotland, Cyclists and increasing numbers of deaths and that these are wholly unnaceptable (and entirely the responsibility of our Minister for Transport, Keith "Not My Problem" Brown)

    Posted 11 years ago #

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