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"Severe weather warning"

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  1. steveo
    Member

    Sounds like the perfect time to fill the canal and turn it into an urban cycle highway.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Perhaps would have been better in one of the rail threads, but:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-53751678

    Train derailed near Stonehaven in "major incident".

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Hope that is not as bad as it sounds

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. Rosie
    Member

    @steveo - yes, that's a great idea, with a median strip of water, enough for one kayak and one swan(as long as they don't paddle abreast).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. steveo
    Member

    Rosie, yeah that'll work though if it gets narrow kayakers will have to dismount.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. Frenchy
    Member

    National Kayak Route 1 goes all the way to Glasgow via the Pentland Firth. Surely that's enough?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. acsimpson
    Member

    Route 1 goes all the way to Glasgow via the Pentland Firth. Surely that's enough?

    Yup. Now we can pave over the M8 to use as a cycle route (perhaps keeping 1 lane each for dog walkers, runners and pedestrians then turn the canal over to wildlife.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. jdanielp
    Member

    @gembo sadly it looks awful.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Locomotive and three of the four coaches derailed and slid down embankment.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    a median strip of water, enough for one kayak and one swan

    We've been through this. A shared space with four inches of water. Paths for all.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    Stonehaven derailment looks bad, very bad.

    Terrible thing to happen.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. Rosie
    Member

    @Frenchy - a very fine leisure route, but maybe not appropriate for commuting. In fact, would love to kayak that.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. Rosie
    Member

    That breach in the canal looks fairly serious.

    https://twitter.com/RichD191/status/1293497916443766784

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    That is a big hole for sure.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. algo
    Member

    Very sad news about the Stonehaven derailment indeed.

    Apparently the canal now has stop planks in at Linlithgow - these things:

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kbohFLAXqYYEddQCRps3kihCXwimosMc6NDdmyO04Lmm3swZVrO2IDmIynSESzN-521h4FLKugYz2vQApYjxVd44MBdVUIaf22ZHEm9VlrY

    and they were put in reasonably quickly. The run off there is into woodland and then onto the railway - let's hope there's no serious damage there.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. acsimpson
    Member

    Does anyone recall where the recent worksite was on the canal? I think there was stop planks around there last year but may have been for other side of Linlithgow.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    There was a towpath closed sign. But on its side at Burke and Hare statue tonight.

    Terrible news from Stonehaven

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. jdanielp
    Member

    Amazing photo of Forth Rail Bridge being struck by lightning: https://www.reddit.com/r/Edinburgh/comments/i8gjvd/queensferry_thunderstorm/

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I've taken a lot of photos of the bridge and that doesn't look like a lightning strike but the illumination of low cloud by the floodlighting.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. jdanielp
    Member

    Ah, now you mention it... Still looks pretty moody though!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. Snowy
    Member

    "It is important to note that this week’s severe weather was a one in 240 year event, according to SEPA."

    Sobering.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. acsimpson
    Member

    "We are working with contractors, partners and landowners to identify either an offsite or onsite towpath diversion and hope to be able to update next week."

    Fingers crossed they come up with something.

    @Snowy, Is that the same sort of one in 200 year event which has topped the Keswick flood window regularly since it was built?

    Would anyone bet against another 1 in 240 jackpot occuring withing the decade?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @acsimpson

    I will not make that bet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/15/uk-infrastructure-inadequate-for-climate-emergency-experts-warn

    Forty years warning and we have done nothing.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. HankChief
    Member

    Some of the clever people on here will know this, but it baffles me...

    If you have an area with 100 rivers, should you not expect 1 of those rivers to have a 1 in a 100 year flood each year?

    I guess my more specific question is should we not be keeping a static river in mind when we get all excited by there being a 1 in 100 year flood or should we be saying that x% of all rivers have had a 1 in a 100 flood in thr last y years.

    (For the avoidance of doubt I'm not denying the rain was bad, just trying to get my head around how best to convey the severity AND frequency of record breaking weather events)

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Not sure that rivers are relevant.

    More about geology, development and land use generally.

    Not a lot of rain falling on a concreted floodplain is going to be more noticeable than a lot on a forested/agricultural area without too much artificial drainage (providing there aren’t too many ‘events’ in quick succession).

    Given that about 2 1/2 inches of rain fell on the Edinburgh area in a few hours, I’m surprised there wasn’t more flooding.

    Sadly I was elsewhere and missed the sound and light show!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    “Insurance is not going to pay out. They won’t cover it because the burn is within a metre of our boundary. I’ve been here ten years, it’s never come in the house.

    https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/weather/flood-ravaged-cardenden-residents-feel-abandoned-authorities-2943254

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Fourteen years ago, you predicted that extreme weather would become the norm and the world would see more disasters in 2020. The first half of this year has seen a global pandemic, the first temperatures over 100F in the Arctic Circle, immense fires in Australia and Siberia, and plagues of locusts in Africa and South America. Do you feel vindicated as a scientist or disappointed as a human that your apocalyptic words have proved prophetic?

    It’s all pretty obvious really, but you never know when you have got things right until quite a long time afterwards because a surprise can turn up. Besides, I’m not a scientist really. I’m an inventor or a mechanic. It’s a different thing. The Gaia theory is just engineering written very large indeed. I mean you have got this ideal rotating ball in space, illuminated by a nice standard star. Up until now, the Earth system has always kept things cool on the Earth, fit for life, that is the essence of Gaia. It’s an engineering job and it has been well done. But I would say the biosphere and I are both in the last 1% or our lives.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/18/james-lovelock-the-biosphere-and-i-are-both-in-the-last-1-per-cent-of-our-lives

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    CAMPAIGNERS have won a battle to force ministers to push forward a re-routing solution after over a decade of failed fixes to deal with landslides and rock slips on one of Scotland's most iconic roads.

    Ministers had been accused of wasting nearly £80m since 2007 on solutions and maintenance to deal with the landslide risks on the A83 Rest And Be Thankful road.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18654309.rest-thankful-campaigners-force-hope-solution-landslip-stricken-a83/

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    In 2012, a report to the Scottish government named sheep grazing on the brae above the A83 (the Rest and Be Thankful) as a cause of the repeated landslides there. It has since spent £millions on engineering.
    Guess what? The sheep are still grazing there.

    https://twitter.com/georgemonbiot/status/1293850179934838784?s=21

    Posted 4 years ago #

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