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More bikes stolen in Porty

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  • Started 6 years ago by Jackson Priest
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  1. Jackson Priest
    Member

    The crazy spate of bike stealing in Porty goes on...

    3 bikes stolen from Brunstane Rd last night: white Scott Addict R4 road bike, silver grey BMC Alpenchallenge hybrid, bright turquoise Whyte Cambridge varsity.

    The Scott has new Bontrager white wall tyres, white super short Bontrager stem. Prolite carbon bottle cages. White bar tape, full Ultegra compact groupset.

    The BMC has new conti city slicks, mudguards, tioga bar ends, pannier rack. Disc brakes and SRAM group.

    The Whyte has disc brakes and is brand spanking new - http://bit.ly/1ezAZlI

    Keep a look out and share this around if you can please!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin


    another Porty theft

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. Were any bikes left outside? It's all getting a bit ridiculous around here.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "
    EdinburghEastPolice (@EdinEastPolice)
    16/10/2013 10:22
    Extra patrols deployed for East Edin, in response to concerns re break-ins and bike thefts. Please phone re any suspicious activity.

    "

    https://twitter.com/edineastpolice/status/390407296485847040

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. davey2wheels
    Member

    > Were any bikes left outside?
    My thoughts too. Do people also not lock and anchor the bike even if in a locked shed/garage?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. veloseb
    Member

    Heard from another theft victim that strava is being used to target people. Make sure your privacy zones are set around home/work etc, or else your routes are taking people right to your front door and telling them you have a bike at home...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Welcome veloseb.

    I think that is a valid warning - though won't account for all recent thefts.

    Let's hope current thieves get stopped before they try elsewhere...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. Jackson Priest
    Member

    @chdot - yeah, we were sharing the Colnago theft news the other week. It's far from being the only one lately, she's just shouted the loudest about it. A certain member of this parish told me this morning as we wended our way to Innerleithen that he actually saw someone on said Ernesto creation and followed them, but lost them down a ginnel in Bingham.

    Mr Cow, I read about yours too - total bummer, you have my sympathy.

    These bikes aren't mine btw - they were outside, but were locked up in a supposedly secure Trimetals bike storage shed. The owner said that they'd used bolt cutters on the arms and hinges of it, and through 2 internal locks too - obviously cased and knew what they were doing.

    Nicked bikes being reported something like every other day on various Porty sites. Not good. Not good at all.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. Snowy
    Member

    Locks are only ever going to slow down the theft, not prevent it, if the thief is well equipped and determined. Sadly it seems bolt cutters will suffice for about 95% of thefts (finger in the air guess).

    I'm wondering if something like motion activated cameras are going to become more popular around domestic premises? Has anyone had experience of these? Wouldn't necessarily prevent a theft but it might help the police identify the thief and by extension might get your bike(s) back..

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. My garage got broken into again today. Firtunately everything chained down, and the commuter is still at the office where I left it on Friday. But 3pm in the afternoon, broad daylight. I wasn't there, Mel heard something outside. Another window pane smashed, Yale undone, somehow got the metal bar I had blocking the door free. The noise appears to have been the big car tyre I put behind the done crashing down. Didn't deter them, until Mel appeared at the window.

    Police have been, bus essentially admitting there's nothing they can do. Apparently one of the problems is people posting on forums about police stations closing, and the neds realising they can head in there with very few police about. Not going to check for prints.

    Not happy. In the slightest.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "but lost them down a ginnel in Bingham"

    Plenty CCTV in that general area.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "Make sure your privacy zones are set around home/work etc"

    Also for Flickr (and all other journey recording apps/websites - not just Strava).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. Snowy
    Member

    One more thing, if you ever use your mobile phone to take photos of your bike(s).

    Usually, mobiles will add metadata to the photo, and this will include the location (depending on availability of data/wifi/gps signals). This can often be highly accurate to within a few yards, and could inadvertantly pinpoint your home/shed/garage as containing the bike(s). Services such as Panoramio allow you to map photo locations easily.

    On Android there are apps like this and this to facilitate metadata removal/alteration.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. Focus
    Member

    "Racing bikes stolen from garden shed"

    THREE bikes worth more than £1000 have been stolen from a garden shed.

    The two racing bikes and a mountain bike were taken from a shed that was broken into in Denholm Drive, Musselburgh, sometime between Thursday night and the morning of Friday, October 17.

    They include a black Chris Boardman racing bike worth £700, a white Carera racing bike worth £300 and a silver Raleigh mountain bike worth £150.

    Anyone who has any information regarding the theft of these bikes should contact Police Scotland on 101, or make an anonymous report through Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    That's getting kind of close to home (not saying exactly how close). Our car got broken into a couple of nights ago.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. Min
    Member

    Police have been, bus essentially admitting there's nothing they can do. Apparently one of the problems is people posting on forums about police stations closing, and the neds realising they can head in there with very few police about. Not going to check for prints.

    It has been reported on the news, it is nothing to do with "people posting on forums" and they are not closed yet. Anyway, what difference does it make if even when you do call the police there is "nothing they can do"?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. "... and they are not closed yet"

    Not officially. But there isn't a single cop based in our local station now, and this has been widely reported on local forums and sites calling (quite rightly) for a review. however, media stories that they will be closing are probably more likely to be ned information source.

    but there is a difference in attitude of ne'erdowells knowing there are no cops based nearby. They'd probably have got away with it before anyway, but they're more likely to actually try their luck if they think there aren't cops about where before there might have been.

    Strangest comment was someone on Twitter explaining, after posting a link to my photoblog after the event, that posting online about going away places can indicate the house will be empty (only I was out yesterday, Mel was still home) and that if you wakl and cycle from home then you're more likely to know your neighbours than if you drove by in a car (erm... I do and I do). Besides, these guys aren't that organised, it's opportunistic stuff.

    Garage windows now have chicken wire behind them; there are a couple of new tower bolts on the door as well, but getting beefier versions tonight. The biggest impact is psychological though - one break-in is a freak occurence, but twice and it starts to eat at you. Mel's already indicated she doesn't want to be left alone in the house, and various possible entry points (no matter how improbable, like a tiny skylight in the roof) have to be bolstered (locks and so on as well to be purchased tonight).

    It really doesn't matter that nothing was taken this time if you start to feel unsafe in your own home.

    And there's one forensics unit now in our fabulous unified force. Which means they take email notifications from incidents, check through them each morning, then work out which ones to go t. The cops themselves have been 'trained' in basic forensics, i.e. to check a scene of a crime and work out if there would be useful forensics or not. They've been told not to overload the forensics email system. Our garage has been declared (twice now) as a forensics no-show (one of the cops got excited when seeing blood on an old rag in the garage, but that was from me drilling my finger on Saturday night...).

    Meanwhile the neds carry on, knowing they can get away with it, and even if they are caught they actually admit to the crimes (usually with a smile and a laugh), get sent to the juvenile reporter, and... Well, that's anyone's guess. They basically don't care. There's little anyone can do in the face of such apathy towards the system. Turns out on the road a few minutes from us a couple of bikes were taken from a garage 3 or 4 weeks ago, and a taxi driver who lives on the street mentioned in passing that his cab was broken into a few weeks back.

    It's not necessarily causation, but definitely correlation, but the thefts of all sorts in Porty and Duddingston seem to have gone up alongside all the reports of the local station closing. I've lived in the same house for over five years, which is long enough to see one hell of a spike in recent months.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. amir
    Member

    If the thefts are all the same folk,there must be some degree of organisation in fencing what's sold and even storing all those bikes. I wonder if the thefts have been linked by the police.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. Thing is, what these kids seem to be doing is exactly what happened with my bikes that were nicked - joyriding. They're not selling on, they're nicking bikes, then dumping them when they nick others. The theft round the corner from us was the same - two bikes left outside while they rode off on the newly nicked ones. The neds yesterday had bikes already, so if they'd taken any of the other bikes in there would have had to leave bikes behind.

    Obviously there are still thefts where bikes are being sold on.

    And apparently they often find when they raid a house for drugs etc. that there's a room with thirty stolen bikes in it.

    The police will only link the thefts if they've got evidence that it's the same folk, and without the forensics... Hence the comment above that the police, effectively, can't do anything. Easy to blame the police, but this runs deeper into lack of resources and bureaucracy. But for the 'end user' of their services it's deeply frustrating.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. dg145
    Member

    @WC Isn't the Justice Secretary your local MSP? Why not drop him a note expressing your frustrations?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. He is, and I've got a letter drafted as, a few days after the first break-in, there was a patronising and spin-laden letter from Kenny (or rather, from one of this staff with his signature attached) about how much is being done to combat crime in the area (at least they recognised it had gone up); about various police 'projects'; and about how we as a community could do our bit (which seemed to be making sure people knew it was bad to steal things - not sure how Duddingston people telling each other it's bad to steal inhibits neds coming in from Niddrie, but there you go).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. dg145
    Member

    how we as a community could do our bit (which seemed to be making sure people knew it was bad to steal things

    ... A sort of NiceWay Code for Criminals?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    @WC, just read this. Bad news.

    As you say it's not coincidence, it is likely to be the same guys coming back for more 'easy pickings'. Very difficult to cope with if it keeps occurring.

    These things seem to some in cycles, and it's often just one guy or a small group. There have been spates of thefts from our stair over the past few years, the most serious obviously when they took our bikes. Various mini 'crime waves': eg. a spate of folk kicking in the close door late at night, sometimes taking fittings from bikes, one time leaving a (stolen) car stereo under our bikes (presumably to pick it up later). I have confronted people on a couple of occasions where I caught them in our stair late at night, and chased after them. Silly really, I'm no Charles Bronson. However those particular individuals have not been back.

    Then there are the one-offs, like a couple of years ago when our downstairs neighbours were burgled during the day. No-one else around to see or hear anything.

    If we're looking for correlations, I suspect the ongoing recession has more to do with it than policing. Crime used to be much higher in Edinburgh: the economic boom seemed to take the edge off during the zeroes. But now it seems it's coming back. Wheher or not bike theft is becoming more widespread I don't know. When ours were stlen back in 2008 the police said it was happening all 'everywhere'. Alas bike theft is relatively easy, quick, and even supplies a readymade getaway vehicle. No alarms or immpbilisers to bypass like on a car or most modern motorbikes. Bikes are often stored in quiet places, out of sight, allowing the thieves to work undisturbed.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    @Snowy, On Android there are apps like this and this to facilitate metadata removal/alteration.

    The easiest thing is not to upload photos of your pride and joy directly from your phone to a public site.

    Luckily my phone does not seem to store location data in the images it generates from the camera. Anyway as a matter of course before uploading them anywhere I transfer from the phone to my Mac, edit them in Photoshop (enhancing contrast, colour, etc.) then reduce the resolution and 'Save for web/devices". Seems to strip out all the EXIF data.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. steveo
    Member

    I sincerly doubt WC's bikes were stolen to order or infact many are stolen as a result of location meta data.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. Some lovely snippets from Kenny's conference speech yesterday:

    "This year Police Scotland has been established. Ensuring that we maintain that local presence on the beat, being abandoned south of the border. Almost as many officers have been lost in England & Wales as serve in Police Scotland. Privatisation, whether in probation services or the Police under way or being considered. Here in Scotland we will not privatise our Police, Fire & Rescue or criminal justice services. Why would we?"

    "When we came to office in 2007, we pledged to deliver an additional 1,000 police officers into our communities. We said a visible police presence deters bad citizens and reassures good citizens. As at June 2013 we had 17,324. The SNP delivering on its manifesto and Police Scotland protecting our communities."

    So more police on the local beat, and more police officers into our communities and.... local police stations closing....

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. Min
    Member

    Strangest comment was someone on Twitter explaining, after posting a link to my photoblog after the event, that posting online about going away places can indicate the house will be empty (only I was out yesterday, Mel was still home)

    You posted on here beforehand and they wouldn't have known she wasn't going with you.

    Of course we don't know what really happened and they probably are just opportunists but I think the advice not to post too much detail about what you have, where you live and when you are going to be out is sound. And possibly not what all of your anti-theft devices are either?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    we pledged to deliver an additional 1,000 police officers into our communities

    Sounds like they were going to wrap them up and stick them in the post. If my experiences of courier deliveries are anything to go buy it's no wonder they don't appear to have materialised.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "So more police on the local beat"

    In the past police forces have 'proved' that beat police rarely catch criminals. Deterring crime is harder to prove and the effect of 'community confidence' even harder to 'account' for.

    I believe that more police on bikes would be unlikely to make things worse...

    Posted 6 years ago #

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