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Loanhead – Gilmerton cycle route Consultation

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  1. ejstubbs
    Member

    @Frenchy: OK, I think that's the start of The Kaims, as described by Mandopicker1 in their post on page 22 of the "I had a lovely ride today" thread. I assume that the cycle path will therefore reach Shawfair by diverting off the route of the old railway on to The Kaims.

    I've just had a look at the Sustrans Feasibility Report Breifing Note from August 2016 (as linked by nedd1e_h a year ago) about the extension of the cycle path from Gilmerton to Shawfair and I note that the target date for construction to be completed is December 2017. At the current rate of progress they might even make it!

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  2. amir
    Member

    I haven't been along Gilmerton Road for a few weeks. Does anyone know whether there will be access onto the path from there?

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  3. Frenchy
    Member

    @ejstubbs - I think the path is going to follow the old railway to Shawfair Avenue. I don't think it will continue on the other side of Shawfair Avenue, so probably won't link to The Kaims except at the Millerhill Road roundabout. Shawfair Avenue has nice wide shared use pavements already.

    @amir - Yes, a ramp will be going in on the east side of Gilmerton Road. A planning application was approved for this a few months ago. I don't think they've started building it though.

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  4. ejstubbs
    Member

    Per Frenchy's post two above yours on the previous page, Sustrans submitted a planning application in February for a ramp for access to the cycle path from Gilmerton Road. The application was granted in August, which is quite late in the process (the tree and scrub clearing along the Gilmerton Station Road stretch was well under way then IIRC) so I'd be surprised if the ramp is there from day 1. I don't recall seeing any preparatory ground works in the relevant area (east of Gilmerton Road and south of the cycle path) last time I passed by a couple of weeks ago. So it looks like it should appear at some point, but maybe not when the cycle path first opens.

    I am looking forward to being able to ride all the way to...well, Shawfair, which is pretty much the closest Edinburgh comes to 'nowhere' IMO, but it's still better than nothing.

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  5. ejstubbs
    Member

    @Frenchy: I think the path is going to follow the old railway to Shawfair Avenue. I don't think it will continue on the other side of Shawfair Avenue, so probably won't link to The Kaims except at the Millerhill Road roundabout.

    Sorry, yes, I was getting confused between Old Dalkeith Road and Millerhill Road.

    Seems odd that The Kaims has been tarmaced close to the Millerhill roundabout if there aren't any plans to make better use of it. Mandopicker1 mentioned the tarmac stub three years ago, but then went on: "...for main looks like it sees limited traffic but given it's becoming overgrown and the grassy surface is rutted and lumpy, probably not a lot at the moment." Would be a shame if it's in no better condition after all this time, what with all the other development that's been going on in the area.

    I wonder what's the likelihood of someone trying to put housing in the land between Shawfair and Millerhill Road? There's nothing showing on the Midlothian planning portal map at the moment. I suppose it's all a bit up in the air what with the Sheriffhall junction due to be rebuilt.

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  6. nedd1e_h
    Member

    Is it possible to get through all those railway sidings at Shawfair, to get from Old Craighall Rd to Newcraighall/NCN 1 by a reasonably direct route?

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  7. Frenchy
    Member

    I wonder what's the likelihood of someone trying to put housing in the land between Shawfair and Millerhill Road?

    If you mean between Shawfair hospital and Millerhill road, then according to a map I was shown at a recent workshop on Sheriffhall roundabout, that area is designated "for employment".

    Everything to the east of Millerhill Road (except the triangle between the bypass, Millerhill Road and the old railway lines) is designated for housing.

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    “Is it possible to get through all those railway sidings at Shawfair, to get from Old Craighall Rd to Newcraighall/NCN 1 by a reasonably direct route?”

    Good question.

    I have been through quite a few times in the past, usually at weekends when there is usually nothing happening and no-one is likely to stop you.

    (It has to been assumed ‘you’re not supposed to be there’ - railway legislation overruling Access(?)

    When they started building the waste depot it was even possible without going on the rail depot road, but it’s now fenced off.

    However last time I was there the gate onto OCRd was locked (which I’d never seen before).

    OF COURSE a proper route through the site should have been planned and built years ago - link to Shawfair Station etc.

    But was obviously ‘too difficult to organise’/‘no-one will use it’.

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  9. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: it has to been assumed ‘you’re not supposed to be there’ - railway legislation overruling Access(?)

    It doesn't have to be assumed, it's there in the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2002, section 6 (1) (d): "The land in respect of which access rights are not exercisable is land...to which public access is, by or under any enactment other than this Act, prohibited, excluded or restricted". And section 13 (1) (i) of the Railway Byelaws (a statutory instrument under the Transport Act 2000) states: "No person shall enter or remain on any part of the railway where there is a notice...prohibiting access".

    I believe the maximum penalty is £1,000. (Or death. Railways aren't places to be treated lightly: they are inhabited by large, heavy vehicles which take longer to stop than a hipster on a fixie with no front brake, and they hurt a lot more if they hit you.)

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  11. chdot
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    Yes, but the access roads go nowhere close to a live line.

    The Marshalling yard is no more.

    Plenty room for a proper segregated through route.

    Missed opportunity.

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1465

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  12. Frenchy
    Member

    Detoured past Shawfair this morning. Didn't stop to check out fully, but:

    * The new path will come out at the toucan crossing on the north side of Shawfair Avenue.
    * There was no sign of any work being done on the south side.
    * There is already a housing development going in immediately north-east of the new path. It might be an access road for this, rather than the new path, which I saw, but I don't think so.
    * There are at least four wee stub paths off Shawfair Avenue. Someone must be planning to connect them to something at some point.

    Posted 4 days ago #
  13. cb
    Member

    "There are at least four wee stub paths off Shawfair Avenue. Someone must be planning to connect them to something at some point."

    It does look, from Google Satellite view, that they are connected to existing rough paths at the moment.

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  14. nedd1e_h
    Member

    It would be nice if there were a connection from the end of the path at Shawfair Ave to NCN 1 via the railway sidings.

    Could this get built before any housing goes in, so we get a guaranteed route (free of chicanes, multiple giveways at side roads, shared-use and other guff that housing developers give 'us')?

    If this connection were put in, it would be a useful route out to Ikea and the other Straiton sheds

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  15. Frenchy
    Member

    I've emailed Midlothian council asking if it's in their plans; will post here if I get a response.

    John Lauder (Sustrans Scotland) has posted some photos on twitter: https://twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/938333284416843776

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  16. Arellcat
    Moderator

    If this connection were put in, it would be a useful route out to Ikea and the other Straiton sheds

    It works the other way around, too. Ever since they closed Homebase at Straiton, the nearest DIY place is basically B&Q at Newcraighall. Newcraighall is both far away and horrible to reach by bicycle for anyone living in the Loanhead/Roslin/Rosewell/Penicuik wedge. I have a fondness for DIY, admittedly, but there's lot in the Newcraighall direction that just isn't available at Straiton. Connecting to Shawfair is great for trains, but connecting Shawfair to Newcraighall is the next important link.

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  17. glasgow megasnake
    Member

    For me, the whole path lacks a decent, similar quality (and direct-ish) link into the centre of Edinburgh... Once delivered past the bypass you still have to face Gilmerton road/liberton brae/kirk brae.

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  18. chdot
    Admin

    Another couple of years then -

    "

    John Lauder (@John_Lauder)
    06/12/2017, 2:20 pm
    @edd1e_h @SpokesLothian @SustransScot @CyclingEdin @IKEAUK That's plan. Project: 3 phases;
    Ph1 Loanhead-Lasswade Rd: completed.
    Ph2 Lasswade Rd-A6106 (30mph), opens in New Year.
    Ph3 A6106-Shawfair Station & beyond 2018/19.
    Area is mixed-use development: housing/offices. We want rail path to be 'spine' of new communities @SustransScot

    "

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  19. Trixie
    Member

    So if phase 2 is connecting to Lasswade Rd to A6106, that sounds like the plan is for this path to meet The Kaims then.

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  20. Frenchy
    Member

    I think he's using the shared use pavements on Shawfair Avenue to do the final stretch to the A6106.

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  21. Frenchy
    Member

    I asked John Lauder on twitter - he says the new path will go all the way to the A6106 where it crosses the old railway line. That means it'll connect to The Kaims, but then keep going a bit further as well.

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