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Meadows-Innocent consultation (and subsequent building & use)
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@lh I also quoted your observation about the button position on Cameron Rose's blog:
http://cameronrose.blogspot.ch/2015/09/pedestrian-crossings-on-buccleuch.htmlPosted 9 years ago # -
Question;
Anyone know what the cost of the scheme is? I'd like to try calculate a cost/mile (metre?) ratio for it to compare it to some other transport schemes.
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Thanks @paulmilne. I couldn't log on earlier to express appreciation.
Thoughts on the macho male sub-class blasting out of Gifford Park...
The exit is blind so it's conceivable that a complete moron could hit a pedestrian, and therefore (although a cm would not pay any attention) I think it reasonable to have some kind of warning there about pedestrians on the pavement. I would go for one paint triangle and dashed line, which seems to be de facto standard now, even if not strictly legal. It could be supplemented by one small simple sign, perhaps on the correctly positioned cyclist button pole, to be considerate around pedestrians. All other paint triangles on this route are superfluous because sight lines are good elsewhere.Posted 9 years ago # -
The Buccleuch Street crossing is on!
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And the others!
No Entry signs missing from one-way end of Rankeiilor.
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Great news! The above picture looks strangely like one of those composite artist's impression type images to me for some reason, maybe because of the variety of people going in a variety of directions all over the crossing. Strange.
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I've been through a few times on foot and both crossings have been this busy both times. Great stuff.
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Went through yesterday evening. Most civilised - maybe not the fastest route, but I will be using it as it is so much nicer than mixing it with city centre traffic.
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I went through it for the first time this morning, I haven't been paying attention to the news - I was delighted to discover that all the crossings were on! The Buccleuch St bit is a little bumpy; there was a bit of broken glass round the corner from there; but overall I was surprised how usable it was. By the time I got to the St Leonards stretch I felt almost as if I was cycling through a pleasant European city. Munich, maybe. Big step forward for "can't do" Edinburgh.
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"The above picture looks strangely like one of those composite artist's impression type images to me for some reason, maybe because of the variety of people going in a variety of directions all over the crossing. Strange."
I know what you mean!
I think 'people on bikes' are going to have to 'adjust to' pedestrians more than the other way round!
The infrastructure detail will be partly to blame.
How can that obtrusive button stalk be more effective - or cheaper than bike detectors in that new bit of tarmac??
And as for the tactiles that woman is standing on - in-line with people cycling from the other side!!
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I quite like the buttons on the Bruntsfield Links path vs the sensors on Middle Meadow Walk. They 'feel' like they do something and I just can't bring myself to trust loops are working.
If there was a far side 'bike detected' light that would do the same job.
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Presumably the button is for the pedestrians?
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There's a button for each. Semi separate waiting areas for bikes and peds.
As built it really is a nice route from the park to the Meadows. Only thing I might ask for would be for better signage through Parkside and St Leonard's.
(Previous critique about lack of facilities for those using main road routes still applies! But the project has a clear goal and they've done that well)
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I just used the new lights on the way back into town after getting off the Borders train at Brunstane and heading up the Innocent path. I only needed to press the button for the first crossing because pedestrians had triggered the other two so I didn't even have to stop. I can't say that I particularly noticed any cycle path surfacing issues on this occasion and the sharp corners didn't bother me much either, although nobody was coming in the other direction at any of these points. Shame about the road surface and speed bumps on Rankeillor Street but generally impressed!
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"
TransportXtra (@TransportXtra) tweeted at 1:19pm - 12 Oct 15:
£1.25m cycle route opens in Edinburgh
bit.ly/1OwjyWk @Edinburgh_CC @SustransScot @sustrans @CyclingEdin pic.twitter.com/kZqYwDTgX7 (https://twitter.com/TransportXtra/status/653545486897532928?s=17)"
It's good that it exists, could have been done better in places.
Not convinced it's 'value for money'.
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I walked along the section from the Innocent Railway to Rankeillor Street yesterday afternoon, during which time I spotted one cyclist on the route - I'm not sure where everybody was since it was a pleasant afternoon.
As I approached St. Leonard's Lane a car approached the junction and stopped at the solid white line of the cycle lane instead of the give way line, blocking my progress. Given that no cycle traffic was evident, I took to the cycle lane to pass the front of the car which was the most direct route available to me. The driver then proceeded to pull up onto the cycle lane to wait for a gap in the traffic to pull out into. I'm not really sure how this junction is supposed to work, but clearly the driver did not feel the need to give way to a pedestrian, yet was concerned about bicycles. Either that or they were confused; perhaps more likely!
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Starting to use this commercially. Visitor from Newcastle thought it wasn't bad at all.
We were going at under 10mph though with suspension on one bike and comfy seat on other!Also spotted Sciennes school out heading towards the crossing at Hope Park Terrace.
ICE Sprint 26 2015 version by LaidBackBikes, on Flickr
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MORE remedial work yesterday (well I assume it's related to installation of the crossing) -
Temp lights too -
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I have used the corner bit to go round to hermit's croft once or twice. It is for kids/families really as most times the road is fine.
My recent pleasurable trips along the QBC in the middle of the day have ended. Thursday was rubbish, almost entirely parked in, including on lots of double yellows and some rubbish driving.
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No doubt someone is trying to blame the building of the cycle path for the underground problem.
Perhaps that's the reason(?)
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Ah, it's got its first roadworks patch - bless!
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It's already being dug up? Oh for crying out loud.
Will the reinstatement be:
1) undetectable under skinny road tyres?
2) about the same as the original surface?
3) much bumpier than the original surface?Place your bets!
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Arellcat, it's a very difficult one but I would cautiously go for 3!
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Is there a diversion round the works? You know, barriers put out in the road to make a temporary cycle path?
ROFL
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No cyclists are diverting themselves onto the pavement via the 45 degree chamfered kerb.
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@CalumCookable they treat it the same as they would a road with cars, right? Well signposted, lots of notice, diversions in place?
Oh no, they just stuck up a barrier and started digging.
Worst part is, there is plenty of space to put in a temporary bike route between the works and the road.Posted 9 years ago #
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