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Meadows-Innocent consultation (and subsequent building & use)

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  1. "What is supposed to happen when you get to that busy road?"

    At both main roads there should be proper crossings going in (I'd asked upthread about the one with the railing, appears the railing is coming out). So assuming decent light timings after pressing a button it could in theory be quicker than, say, arriving at the lights on the main road route just as they turn red. Also, for the final right hand turn to the Commie you won't have to queue with cars as there will be a dedicated segregated lane (and crossing). That will obviously then turn off to head to the Innocent, so you can either stay on the main road, or follow through St Leonards to pop out just below the Commie.

    Timings really depend on lights, but I think once it's properly up and running there won't be much in it between the routes (road route maybe slightly faster); but obviously there will be the benefit of being away from traffic.

    In fairness this is really a 'missing link' route for families or inexperienced riders, that allows them to access the Innocent while before they would have been put off by the road. By suggesting the route is too convoluted, and for that reason you'd rather ride on the road, I think that marks you out as someone that this isn't intended for in the slightest (which would apply to many on here, but not all).

    I've started taking the off road path through the Meadows rather than the road just cos it's nicer, and if this link is done well (oh what an 'if'), I'll probably follow it round in preference to the main road.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. fimm
    Member

    Yes, I accept that it isn't aimed at me. I do sometimes go through the Meadows, but usually go along Melville Drive. I'll wait and see what it looks like when it is all finished.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. paulmilne
    Member

    I'm still puzzled and disappointed by the bumpy surface of the Buccleuch Street section. I'd be tempted to ask them to do it yet again and get it right this time. No excuse given the time they've had.

    But if it were up to me things would be VERY different :D

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Nelly
    Member

    Took my 9yo son along after his tennis in the meadows yesterday. His verdict is that its a great idea to be able to get from meadows to innocent largely away from 'big roads'.

    He did ask why there was a massive puddle at bucchleuch street as it will freeze in winter and people will fall off. Can't argue with that.

    He also asked why those traffic cones were there!!!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    I *assume* this will get sorted.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Today

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

  9. Roibeard
    Member

    So, the cycle path now has two foot paths on either side. Fair enough, and makes some degree of sense.

    Having laid all this, why then might there be a traffic signal button installed smack in the middle of the new cycle path?

    I can see that being a entrant for Cycling Facility of the Month once it's lined...

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. If that's the button I'm thinking of then it almost makes sense, as cyclists will be able to push a button without having to block the pavement. The problem is, following the 'drive on the left' rule, the box with the button is facing 180 degrees in the wrong direction.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. Roibeard
    Member

    Having it just to the left of the cycle path, thus aiding in segregating the foot from cycle portions, and not being a hazard to navigation might have been an idea.

    That and the central cycle path now doesn't meet the crossing...

    Another contractor error?

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Or should we be trans-quoting Micheal O Leary "What is it about a simple specification that you don't understand?"

    Western end of NMW with the brand new incorrect tactiles:

    Taxing tactiles - again

    And the works on MMW for those who haven't passed that way recently (e.g. me):

    Pedestrian facilities

    I was trying to work out if this is the correct installation or not. According to my copy of the guidance on the use of tactile paving surfaces, I don't think it is. If this is the full extent of the works, it totally isn't correct.

    Corduroy

    Corduroy warns of a hazard, but in this instance the (notionally) segregated shared route of MMW is joining an unsegregated area that is actually a pedestrian crossroads with a cycle lane crossing it along one axis.

    Therefore, corduroy tactiles should be used on the approach from George Square. This is because it warns visually impaired people that they are stepping onto the cyclist side. If CEC had installed a central delineator strip on MMW, it would be discontinued for the length of the crossroads. Flat bar tactile flags should then be installed across the full width of MMW to indicate in the usual manner the beginning/end of a shared-segregated cycle lane and footway. Because of the shared use crossroads, the approach from the shops also requires corduroy tactiles. Although people are not stepping onto the cyclist side immediately, there is no central delinator to act as the warning.

    If the approach from George Square is to be properly configured as a segregated-shared path, then it requires flat top tactiles at each end across the full width in the usual manner, and a central delineator.

    As a counter-example, if the approach from George Square did not exist at all, then the cycle lane on MMW would be continuous and the correct installation would then be a continuous central delinator, and flat bar tactiles at the approaches to what would then be a T-junction. Those tactiles are required because it is the footway that includes the junction and visually impaired people need to know the extent of the area concerned. Corduroy tactiles would not be required at the approach from the shops because the footway is continuous and the delinator acts as the warning.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. paulmilne
    Member

    Any sign of work yet on the Clerk Street crossing?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. Iratesheep
    Member

    Buccleuch street work : something looking like drains has started, but is currently abandoned in a tangle of large barriers.
    Still no lights to cross safely.

    Stop lines still in wrong place.

    Bike crossing button box has been moved, a bit.

    Progress seems slow at this end.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Cycled along the segregated path on St Leonard's Street last night - all the barriers had been removed.

    The surface is terrible!

    It's very bumpy with lots of vibration. The odd thing is, it is far worse than the nice smooth resurfaced carriageway right next to it.

    The Council need to get the contractors to sort this - there is no way this surface can be considered acceptable.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "there is no way this surface can be considered acceptable"

    Oh yes there is, it's only for cyclists.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. ih
    Member

    And the section on Buccleuch isn't smooth either. They've taken that up once already to change the chip colour. Also, why does the transition from Gifford Park to Buccleuch St have a kerb crossing it? There ought to be smooth tarmac indicating that it is a continuous route from Gifford to Buccleuch, just like cars would have at junctions.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. neddie
    Member

    Closure of Gifford Park

    Please note that from next week, the pedestrian and cycle route through Gifford Park to Clerk St or Buccleuch St will be closed for approximately four weeks for upgrade works. Please use Hope Park Tce or alternatively, St. Patrick Sq.

    This affects Route 1 of the National Cycle Network, between North Meadow Walk and the Innocent Railway Path.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm faintly amused that they imagine that Gifford Park, as is, to be considered a cycle route!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    For strange reasons as a student I used to love that wee cut through at Gifford park.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    friend of mine has a flat there. lovely spot.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The "corpy" houses there were designed by the wonderfully named Ebenezer J. Macrae, city architect (back when cities had such things). He's responsible, for better or worse, for most of Edinburgh's 1920s and 1930s social housing schemes. Mainly for better given most are still standing, in good repair and outlived subsequent generations of replacement housing.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    The shamen wrote a song about that architect. Basically in the song they extol the virtues of the 1920s housing stock. With these houses they believe ebenezeer has been good. Later corner's cut, houses smaller, materials less pleasant, but ebenezeer still good.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. neddie
    Member

    Are 1920s houses also sublime, refined and make you feel fine?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. SRD
    Moderator

    what's the vintage/provenance of the ones on west richmond? I'm always struck by how lovely the ones on the corner of richmond place are.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. Stickman
    Member

    Very much maligned and misunderstood.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Continuing OT

    "
    Designed by David Cousin, Edinburgh's first city architect

    "

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory_record/377061/waverley_park_conservation_area

    He was called that from 1847, I'm surprised that Edinburgh didn't have one sooner.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. wingpig
    Member

    There were people with wheelbarrows working on the bit of segregated path round from Hermit's Croft so I couldn't go for a test rumble over it this morning, but the newly-painted white lines, when viewed from the side, highlight the remarkable lumpiness. Unfortunate that the addition of paint suggests that the people making it think it's finished.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "the addition of pain"

    Indeed.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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