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£10m cycle path to cut through heart of Edinburgh
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Neil Greig, of the Institute of Advanced Motorists, fears that would be the case if traffic lights were used to control junctions where the path and motorists meet.
He said: “My only concern would be that there is only a certain amount of time at signalled junctions and to use up time for cyclists means others lose out.
“The more time that motorised vehicles are held up results in more pollution and congestion.”
Neill grieg Is right . We need to keep these vehicles moving at all costs! For the sake of the children ......for gods sake why won't someone think of the children..???
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Cycle Forum – 12/02/14
City Centre Vision
Update from Iain MacPhailOn 29 September 2013 Committee gave approval for the introduction of a one way system on George Street, accompanied by a two way cycle path and additional space for pedestrians and local businesses to use.
This will be implemented using a 12 month Experimental Traffic Regulation Order. External consultation has taken place and a design has been agreed in principle, with one way traffic flowing Eastbound from Frederick Street to St Andrew Square on the north side of George Street, and one way traffic will flow Westbound from Frederick Street to Charlotte Square on the South side.
The remainder of the street will become pedestrianised, in the space which is currently a car lane nearest to the kerb. The current car lane nearest the central reservation will become a dedicated two-way cycle path.
The greatest attention has been given to managing the 3 roundabouts where George Street meets Castle Street, Frederick Street and Hanover Street, as that is where cyclists will interact with car traffic, instead of pedestrians. A finalised plan will be available to view by mid-February.
Car parking will be maintained in the centre of the street, including residents’ permit bays, motor cycle parking and pay-and-display parking. Parking bays will be angled at 45 degrees, on a drive-in reverse-out basis. While that arrangement would not be advisable on every street, it is anticipated that a lot of the traffic using the remaining road space on George Street during the experiment will be slow moving. Many will be cars either looking for a parking space (thereby likely to let cars reverse out in order to free up the parking space) or it will be cars which have recently vacated a space themselves. George Street is already a slow-moving street as traffic is calmed on approach with pedestrians having priority at crossings on Castle Street and Frederick Street, and the entry point at Hanover Street is signal controlled.
Loading to businesses on the pedestrianised sides of the street will also take place from the centre of the street, or from the lanes where businesses have an existing lane access. The intention is for the barrier between car parking and cycle lane to be formed by a rubber kerb at street level supported by planters, ensuring that the streetscape is made permeable, safe and attractive.
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"The intention is for the barrier between car parking and cycle lane to be formed by a rubber kerb at street level supported by planters, ensuring that the streetscape is made permeable, safe and attractive."
Sounds good.
Presumably Leith Walk is 'too fast' for that(?)
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I'm all for this sort of "try it before you buy it" sort of approach where flexible / removable installations are put down to trial a lane / flow system before turning it into tarmac and concrete. We've had so many examples of useless infrastructure (both for vehicles, bicycles and pedestrians) over the years in Edinburgh that clearly the computer modelling and planners drawings are just not up to the task of seeing how things work in practice.
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"with one way traffic flowing Eastbound from Frederick Street to St Andrew Square on the north side of George Street, and one way traffic will flow Westbound from Frederick Street to Charlotte Square on the South side"
The dedicated cycle lane will presumably conversely switch from the north side between Charlotte/Frederick and the south from Frederick/Andrew. I'll be interested to see the proposal for the link between the two-way track and the link to Dublin St., or the way of getting west from the west end of George St to Princes Street.
There's a lot of "...will... ...will... ...will... ...will... ...will... ...will... ...will... ...will... ...will..." but then merely "...the intention is for the barrier between car parking and cycle lane to be formed by a rubber kerb at street level supported by planters, ensuring that the streetscape is made permeable, safe and attractive" which is a bit less definite. I hope the rubber kerbs are big enough to deter giant-wheeled SUVs. I hope impermeability of the cycle lane to larger vehicules is enforced, just in case someone just pops down it, just for a few minutes, just to deliver something or pop in somewhere.
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