"I believe they have invented some conveyance called a 'bus'. Apparently some of them stop quite near people's homes."
Yes. They have. Well done for noticing. Self-righteous much?
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Edinburgh Waverley Station: Car and taxi ban comes into force
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Posted 10 years ago #
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Footage acquired. Please contain your anticipation until I can get it uploaded this evening.
There's a pair of retractable-looking shiny metal bollards near the top of the north ramp in the uphill lane, with a probably-trailer-sized gap between then.
There are no sharp wee speedhumps on the north ramp, unless I just didn't notice them.
The concourse between the bike stands and the north ramp is fairly wide and less busy than the concourse between the north ramp/escalator bottoms and the south ramp.Posted 10 years ago # -
Yes. They have. Well done for noticing. Self-righteous much?
Steady on.
I was merely seeing the phrase "have to" when the true meaning was "choose to".
One can quite reasonably argue it is nicer, more welcoming, more 'respectful' to one's mother to pick her up in a car from the station. Even that it is the expected norm. Or that given the amount of luggage it is more practical. That's all fine. But to say one has to use a car is just not factually correct.
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Noticed today that there are new rows of bike racks. Also they were full already!
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"Noticed today that there are new rows of bike racks"
Where?
Do you think they are extra or replacement for previous ones?
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I thought there was some No Cycling signage on the north ramp. Must be mistaken. I may prefer the north ramp actually - I find the south ramp (inward) backs up with taxis something awful as they wait to cross that crossing point, especially with the new escalator.
I'd like to see them get the racks back to the north ramp near platform 19.
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Couldn't see if there was any No Cycling signage on the north ramp when I went up it but some of the markings have the look of No Unauthorised Vehicles notices about them.
Thirty more seconds getting back up the north path compared to going down the south path, trying not to go over 10mph and trying not to walk over 3mph to simulate popular walking speeds.
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The original idea was to 'ban everything' because of extreme terrorism paranoia.
Indeed...although apparently terrorists would never consider using luggage bombs or, more extremely, large padded jackets. So it's just a well-meaning but incompetent nod in the direction of 'doing something' about terrorism, but doesn't actually achieve any such thing.
But we're used to that concept, with the same sort of nod in the direction of decent cycling facilities...
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I love how even with a four minute reminder video there is still a taxi who can't wait behind for a nano second... Half wits...
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Monday and yesterday I was still able to cycle down the south ramp. There was station staff standing there but the barrier wasn't working yet so they seemed to ignore cyclists.
Today barriers were down over the full width of the road. A guy intercepted me and sent me down the north ramp.
North ramp is fine for me though, I don't have to park at the station.Posted 10 years ago # -
Can't blame the council on this. Network Fail stupidity through-and-through.
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Looks like the Home Office Policy Of Terror is doing its job well then.
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So we're supposed to use the north ramp? There was me thinking I was doing something wrong (but doing it anyway) by picking my way around the various barriers, unaware of my status as an authorised vehicle.
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Is there a right hand turn restriction from the north ramp (when exiting the station), like there is on the south ramp?
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I was there yesterday afternoon at exactly the time they put this up.
As I was arriving I saw someone cycle up the ramp between the big rising blocks (which were up) and past the barrier which was up for an incoming taxi.
The two station guys at the top paid him no attention.
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Being a passenger and not a customer, I take it I am at liberty to disregard that sign? It's clearly for someone else such as the TOCs, which are Network Rail's customers.
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"When the plans were first announced as part of UK Home Office terror policy last year, the city council said it was “crucial” to install a new zebra crossing at the junction of Market Street and Waverley Bridge, and work to install these improvements is now set to begin by Easter.
A 12-bay taxi rank on Market Street and footway widening on Waverley Bridge are also set to be developed."
Not too clear where that Zebra is planned to be? Replacing the crossing on Waverley Bridge or across the bottom of Market St (or both)?
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"Surely they should have given cabbies some training"
I think that most times I have the displeasure of encountering them...
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"Now it has emerged that huge tailbacks along Waverley Bridge in recent days were caused by taxi drivers jumping a red light in a bid to speed up the slow-moving entry system – a move which in fact shut it down in an automatic response to what the computers believed was an illegal entry."
Well it was illegal as the cabbies were jumping a red light! How it must grate for them to not be able to flout the law.
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Central Taxis director Tony Kenmuir said: “Surely they should have given cabbies some training or indication on how to work it instead of expecting everyone to pick it up in an instant?”
Training? Like stop when the light is red, and go when it is green?
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In fairness to the cabbies I doubt most people (including those on bikes) would bother waiting for the green light once they saw the gate go up (or is it down?).
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In fairness to the cabbies I doubt most people (including those on bikes) would bother waiting for the green light once they saw the gate go up (or is it down?).
We use a lot of these sorts of systems (automated gates, road blockers, etc.) at work. Smart a***s who think they can fool the system by either driving through the red light or trying to nip in behind a car infront cause no end of problems in their use.
These systems are explicitely designed to let 1 person through at a time, then giving said person a chance to proceed before identifying the next vehicle and letting it through. It's slow, but it's meant to be that way. It's meant to stop a building or premises being rushed by an unidentified vehicle.
What Network Rail have made the mistake of doing is installing a lot of very expensive, high-end anti-ram technology in a situtation that it was never designed to be used for. It's not meant to give high-volume access all day, every day. This stuff is meant for very secure places with low volumes of traffic, spending most of it's life in the closed / off position. They'll find it begins to breakdown pretty rapidly when used in this sort of way.
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I was returning from that London yesterday and asked a station copper whether I was allowed to ride up the south ramp today as I'd heard different things. He said:
"The barrier was hit and broken by an ambulance last (wednesday) night. It's a free for all at the moment"
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Are there road blockers on both ramps? Or just the south one?
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I spotted a road blocker on the north ramp this morning. Only on one side, the other side is hefty bollards so a bike can easily pass through there.
They'll find it begins to breakdown pretty rapidly when used in this sort of way.
Either that or they will just ban taxis from Waverley entirely...
Posted 10 years ago # -
Seeing as Edinburgh's Hackney Carriageists have a proven track record of blatantly ignoring any attempts to get them to stop where they are meant to and not stop where they are not meant to, I look forward to the first have-a-go-hero who wraps himself around the road blocker in an attempt to show it who's boss, in much the same way that they act when a bicycle "gets in the way".
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I presume they are now all parked on the double yellows on Waverley Bridge?
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Today, the top of the north ramp has laminate sign attached to outside of the big gate (normally open) stating No Cycling Permitted Please Dismount. Same at bottom of ramp, attached to the walkway barrier, facing towards the roundabout - though that second one is more ambiguous in that it could be meaning for the pedestrian walkway or for people cycling downwards into the station.
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