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From photos on the web yes it was the southernmost Taxi-only entrance.
The second picture in the link above does not show Jimmy Chungs opposite the Airlink bus.
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Edinburgh Waverley Station: Car and taxi ban comes into force
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Posted 9 years ago #
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You have to be sprightly nowadays, people reversing impulsively, groundhog day, another recent reversing-manoeuvre-kills pensioner.
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but how the car managed to not only reverse over the man but also into the side of the airport bus beggars belief...
Indeed. The same was never answered in the media about the car that reversed into 5 others in the Musselburgh Tesco, killed a pensioner and ended up with cars piled up on top of each other.
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In children's (government issue) 'road safety' books such as Ziggy, they actually teach kids as young as 3 about cars reversing out of driveways.
The expectation is that cars can reverse out of driveways at any moment without taking the necessary care to see that no children are in the way. The onus is on the 3 year old not to run along the pavement and to watch out for cars.
I mean we can't have these 3 year olds becoming fit & active. We need them to be sedentary & obese so they are committed to shopping, eating and driving more when they are older.
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I'm trying to understand how the car reversed so far too, "rolling" or not. Maybe the driver was in shock after realising what they'd done? Anyway you look at it, another sad loss of life when it shouldn't have happened.
In an unconnected matter (but related as far as irresponsible reversing), Whilst standing in front of the Assembly building at Stormont during the Giro d'Italia, I wasn't far off being hit by a reversing Ferrari. A number of Italian supercars had been on display at the top of the hill (behind where I was standing) and one of them had raced off to my right at probably 90-100 mph. Moments later, the idiot behind the wheel reversed at what I can only imagine was 60 mph plus(I don't know the maximum reversing speed of a modern Ferrari)! I steadfastly refused to move (whilst being ready to do so if it was that or death), and he stopped about 10 metres short of me. Absolute moron, and a sign that reversing speeds should be capped.
Who really needs to reverse at more than 5 mph? Perhaps those chauffeuring at-risk VIPs, but they could then have dispensation for adapted cars.
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At the time chdot posted the 'no barriers' photo above, I encountered a car wedged sideways in the middle of the dedicated cycle route. The driver had clearly driven in, realised his mistake and attempted a 3 point turn without enough space.
There was a member of the station staff in attendance, but they were happy just to joke with the motorist as he tried to shuffle back and forth, rather than helping other people access the station.
I squeezed past, but my delay was compounded by a platform alteration and I missed my train.
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Take care riding into the station today, there are temporary barriers with just a small gap for riding in.
Posted 9 years ago # -
The first phase of the work, which will last until July 26, will focus on Market Street and include widening and resurfacing the footways in natural stone paving, installing new raised tables to improve pedestrian crossing points and installing a new zebra crossing at the junction of Market Street and Waverley Bridge. It will also create a new 10-bay taxi rank on Market Street, new loading areas, a new cycle lane and new street lighting, along with resurfacing the carriageway and reducing street clutter.
Sounds promising, especially the raised tables and (possibly) the cycle lane. However, I suspect that the cycle lane will just be a painted area in the door zone...
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"I suspect that the cycle lane will just be a painted area in the door zone..."
As least if it was painted it would be visible. I guess it's more likely to be demarcated with red invisichips.
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it's red chips, up the side of market street towards the mound. So, not door zone, but along the kerb.
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Thanks, SRD, I was thinking of Market Street as running East from Waverley Bridge, rather than the up the hill bit.
There appears to be ample room for a segregated lane uphill here, especially given the double yellows all the way up the hill, but I presume that's not on the cards?
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The plans I have seen specify red chips and don't show a kerb, so no. Pity.
Spokes has been lobbying for this lane for quite a while, so I suspect it predates demands for segregated lanes.
I had exactly the same thought, but it know how long spokes has been asking for just paint, so figured there wasn't much point in pushing further.
Posted 9 years ago # -
“Waverley now has three entrances to the station which are fully accessible. Lifts permit step-free access to and from Princes Street, Market Street and Calton Road."
But the taxi rank will be on Waverley Bridge? Hmmmm.
Still, fewer cars in the station itself -> more space for cycle facilities or a cycle hub*? And a great big access ramp that will be much more quietly used and would facilitate cycling out onto a traffic calmed Market Street? I'd take that. [*This may be wishful thinking]
Posted 9 years ago # -
Frank Ross, who appears to be an SNP councillor for Costorphine is claiming that this means cyclists will have to dismount too. Supposedly is is what is in letter from network rail.
Strikes me as ridiculous. Pavements on ramps aren't wide enough for cyclists pushing bikes. Plus they installed that fancy access on north ramp.
But he says this is what network rail letter says.
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"Cyclists are asked to dismount before accessing the station" - Network Rail press release.
Apparently "The changes which are now being implemented will further reduce the risk to passengers circulating on the south side of the station and improve air quality for all station users and staff."
So, banning cycling improves pedestrian safety and air quality!
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Does that mean getting off at the bottom of the ramp, in that little turning circle bit or do they mean walk down the access ramp?
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Presumably there's also the possibility of taking your bike in the lifts from Princes Street, Market Street or Calton Road. Sounds a bit tedious though.
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Does that mean getting off at the bottom of the ramp, in that little turning circle bit or do they mean walk down the access ramp?
I suspect NR defines the station as starting where those bit silver cyclinders are, which I think is the top of the ramp. However, I cannot see them enforcing that against cyclists rolling down an otherwise empty road on the access ramp.
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Well I tried out the new bike channels on the stairs at the east end of the station on Sunday. The one on the internal steps is fine, though awkward for me as on left hand side (going up) and I prefer to push bike on my right.
However the channel on the exit steps: what a balls up. It has been placed too close to the support rods for the new handrail: right up gainst them in fact. As a result if you try to wheel your bike down, the pedals strike the support rods. Very poor implementation of what is actually a good idea.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Now had confirmation from Railtrack that yes, cyclists are supposed to dismount and walk down the ramp and all the way around to the racks at the back.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Now had confirmation from Railtrack that yes, cyclists are supposed to dismount and walk down the ramp and all the way around to the racks at the back.
What of the "dedicated bike lane" they had signposted not a few months back? (photo earlier in thread)
Posted 9 years ago # -
I guess there's no indication of "why"?
Sounds like some kind of misguided attempt at "even-handedness", no sign of any attempt to encourage cycling here. I think this will take some concentrated campaigning/pressure from all and sundry to get NR to change the policy.
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The 'dedicated bike lane' signs are still there on the north ramp. I checked last night. I'll check again tonight.
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The "Dedicated cycle route" signs are still there, both at the top of the ramp and the bottom. However, steel barriers of the crowd-control type have been placed at the top of the ramp, over the full length of the entrance, basically prevented all traffic except pedestrians from turning into the ramp. There's a sign saying "no unauthorised vehicles" on the barriers.
My interpretation is that as a cyclist I'm still allowed in, as the cycle route sign gives me that authorisation. (Are cyclists vehicles anyway?). It's just a bit annoying to almost have to mount the pavement to get in. Also there's nothing at the bottom of the ramp to indicate the blockage at the top.
The barriers were there last night and still there this morning.Posted 9 years ago # -
Are cyclists vehicles anyway?
Not in any other interpretation of "vehicle" I've come across with regards to access.
Posted 9 years ago # -
About time! Only carriages and fours, corteges, velocipedes, constables, gentlemen and accompanied ladies should be able to gain passage on the station concourse for the purpose of alighting and boarding railway carriages.
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Last week, it is alleged the new barriers caused a poor driver to panic, resulting in a fatal accident when he reversed out the station.
Had a charging system been in place that mistake might only have cost £1 rather than Rev Tom Sinclair his life.
That's one twisted "opinion", John McLellan. Using the needless loss of life of Rev. Sinclair as a drum to beat in the Chipwrapper's pro-car, anti-people agenda is tasteless at best. Note also the apologist tone; it's not the "individual incapable of safely operating their motor vehicle in a reverse direction" but the "poor driver [who panicked]".
As a side thought, wonder how much the Craighouse developers are paying him to write their propaganda piece?
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