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New LiDL proposed for Easter Road

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  1. crowriver
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    Well to be fair, the size of the supermarket seems to have increased substantially. Whether that justifies more than doubling the parking spaces I don't know. It must be said the proposed car park is modest in comparison to the one outside Tesco at the foot of Easter Road.

    I also note from the plans that the cycle parking looks pretty decent, and is situated conveniently at the front of the supermarket, with direct access from the street.

    You can see the full plans, elevations and visualisations at the Edinburgh planning portal: 15/04194/FUL

    Reckon I'll be biking it there when it opens, or walking: depending on the size of the groceries run...

    Whether we'll see a lot more traffic on Easter Road is difficult to say. I can imagine LiDL will draw in cars from further east, possibly from the new developments off Albion Road: much of that traffic will try to bypass the traffic light junction at Easter road and doubtless St Clair Street will become even more of a rat run than it already is. That may make the crossroads between St Clair Street, Dalmeny Street and Easter Road more hazardous than it is now. Already this is a junction where cyclists need their wits about them due to impatient drivers trying to cross Easter Road.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  2. crowriver
    Member

    Oh you can find the transport statement (which may now be out of date) by searching for 14/00894/FUL .

    Quite interesting. I suppose we ought to remember that until 2012, the B&Q store was generating quite a few car journeys. The garage next door was generating a few as well.

    Based on their projections, I would advise cyclists to shop at the new LiDL Easter Road on weekdays, and avoid weekends! ;-)

    Posted 8 years ago #

  3. Klaxon
    Member

    The design is off for the area. It has absolutely no human feature at ground level, just a dark car park cavern with a cheaply clad windowless store box built on top. To compare two old Safeway stores, built in the pre superstore era, think how oppressive the Tesco on Bonnington Rd is compared to Waitrose on Morningside Rd.

    I'd rather they put the store on ground level with a windowed front onto Easter Rd, bury the parking and build the upper levels as apartments to cover the cost of the digging. 10 mins walk is anywhere up to Meadowbank Colonies, any of the Albion Rd apartments, all the way down to Tesco or the ends of Brunswick Rd and Lorne St. Like their Clerk St store I'm sure it would do just fine.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  4. crowriver
    Member

    "10 mins walk is anywhere up to Meadowbank Colonies, any of the Albion Rd apartments, all the way down to Tesco or the ends of Brunswick Rd and Lorne St. "

    Sure, but folk in three of the areas you mention just love to drive their cars.....can't see many walking to LiDL from those areas (though I would, but I'm not typical).

    This is what's on the site just now. https://goo.gl/maps/3EYzg1aLP4p

    Sure, the supermarket is higher, but it's not too dominant in relation to surrounding buildings and much of it is set back from the road.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  5. SRD
    Moderator

    I lived on Iona St from 2003-2008, and visited the b&q regularly. I would not have said that it had high levels of car use.

    That entire neighbourhood -including the colonies - has low levels of car ownership - seems unlikely that many locals would be driving there.

    I 'm also a big lidl fan.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  6. crowriver
    Member

    @SRD, aye it's true that car ownership in Leith Walk ward is the lowest in Edinburgh, but the new developments in Albion Road have led to a fairly noticeable increase in traffic along Albion Road. Maybe the new developments on Brunswick Street will have a similar effect once complete? Car ownership in the Abbeyhill colonies is relatively low, but higher than the surrounding tenements and those who do own cars seem to use them a lot...

    Oh looking at the detailed plans, there are only 69 customer parking places: the other seven are designated as staff parking. I suppose any parking will generate traffic: I certainly noticed the vehicles coming in and out of the B&Q car park while it was open: bit of a hazard when cycling uphill.

    Having said all this, the transport statement models typical modal share for cars at discount stores as significantly lower than conventional supermarkets, and pedestrian and cyclist modal share higher.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  7. Roibeard
    Member

    The original transport assessment concluded by saying:

    "A Framework Travel Plan will be provided with the emerging TS. This will identify potential Travel Plan measures to be implemented at the site, and discuss the implementation, monitoring and review processes that the development will undertake to reduce reliance on the private car and promote more sustainable modes of transport. The Travel Plan will also outline the level of commitment from the developer with regard to the implementation of specific measures."

    The level of commitment from the developer is now clear - the tripling of car journeys in the revised application demonstrates that there is no commitment to reduce reliance on the private car...

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #

  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Have Roibeard and Crowriver swapped logins?

    Posted 8 years ago #

  9. Ed1
    Member

    I suppose in theory it could reduce car journeys in Edinburgh, if customers are currently driving to alternative supermarkets. If there was a lidl on everystreet no one would have to drive to the supermarket or if did so would travel less far.

    I like the good prices at lidl and the choice If I lived near would be looking forward to it opening. I cycle to the leith lidl everyweek, never driven to it for the first 2 years of using it did not even know there was a car park.

    Posted 8 years ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    Still not built -

    "

    The plans for a new store on Easter Road detail a 1286m² store on a 3752m² site, with plans to create up to 40 new jobs. The supermarket will boast state of the art facilities including an instore bakery, customer toilets and ample parking for both cars and bicycles.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/lidl-submit-planning-application-for-easter-road-store-1-4237465

    Posted 7 years ago #

  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    What's state of the art about any of those things? I'd say they are pretty basic essentials!

    Posted 7 years ago #

  12. Klaxon
    Member

    Peculiar article. Their prior application from last year - 15/04194/FUL - is still in planning limbo and the EEN piece reads more like a LIDL press release. Maybe it's just them trying to put pressure on the council?

    There's revised plans from May under that reference that look a lot better than the original ones from last year. The original design had the open cavern of the car park exposed at street level - not exactly good placemaking.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  13. crowriver
    Member

    "We would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone for their support and feedback so far and look forward to receiving the decision in due course.”

    Translation: okay, now that the grumbling is over and we've addressed concerns, can you just blooming well get on with it?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  14. kaputnik
    Moderator

    and the EEN piece reads more like a LIDL press release. Maybe it's just them trying to put pressure on the council?

    Local papers are pretty much at the level of regurgitating press releases on anything in the local area as "news", given scale of cutbacks to their newsroom teams.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  15. ih
    Member

    Not Easter Road, but the newly opened store on Logie Green Road Canonmills. There are sheffield bike stands in the basement car park entered round the side of the store. They're not bad although some are rather annoyingly close to the wall.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  16. crowriver
    Member

    Gave the Broughton/Powderhall LiDL a try this evening. It was very quiet for a Saturday night I thought: maybe not so many folk know about it yet. A bit smaller than the one in Leith, not quite as big a range of stock, but fine for grocery shopping. Slightly more 'deluxe' range than Leith. Layout different so I got confused a few times. Self service tills, which is interesting, though I hate them and prefer a staffed till. Bike parking was good, quite a lot of it, well lit, easy to get lift up to the store. Recommended if you live nearby, or pop in if you're passing on the NEPN/WoL path.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  17. Klaxon
    Member

    Recommended to be granted

    http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/1F01B9A98D70B43BDC61FBE100C35CAF/pdf/15_04194_FUL-DM_SUB-COMMITTEE_REPORT-3459118.pdf

    EEN reporting as actually granted. Maybe they have information we don't

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/leith/lidl-gets-planning-permission-to-open-on-easter-road-b-q-site-1-4284492

    Posted 7 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    Planning link doesn't work because of the annoying way that system generates 'one user only' links

    Can you post a link to the page before?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  19. Frenchy
    Member

    Does this work?

    Posted 7 years ago #

  20. chdot
    Admin

    Yes!

    "

    The proposal complies with the development plan. The proposal is acceptable in this location and should have no detrimental impact on the local retail environment, or traffic and road safety. It may have a minor detrimental impact on local residential amenity, but these impacts are considered acceptable in the context of the overall benefit that the building will bring to the townscape. There are no other considerations which outweigh this conclusion and approval is recommended subject to conditions on archaeology, contaminated land, opening hours, windows, and materials, and the conclusion of a legal agreement for a contribution towards transport infrastructure.

    "

    Which I think means it's likely to be uncontoversial and rubberstamped at full committee.

    Posted 7 years ago #

  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    and the conclusion of a legal agreement for a contribution towards transport infrastructure.

    Maybe Lidl can buy the solum of the Powderhall line and donate it to the council :)

    Posted 7 years ago #

  22. crowriver
    Member

    @kappers, would be nice but reading the report it's in fact just shy of ninety grand towards the tram going down Leith Walk...

    Posted 7 years ago #

  23. chdot
    Admin

    "

    A new Lidl is being built off Easter Road backing on to Easter Cemetery, replacing the old B&Q.

    Ashley Greenhorn, 30, said her boyfriend was in their home of two years when he heard a huge crashing sound.

    She said: “We were made aware that they were taking away the roofing to finish demolition today.

    “I thought it was odd that there was no supporting scaffolding on this side.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/leith/video-50m-wall-collapse-forces-leith-residents-to-be-evacuated-1-4358894

    Posted 7 years ago #

  24. crowriver
    Member

    ---

    Meanwhile, Easter Road will soon have the first Lidl ‘Metropolitan’ store in Scotland, meaning it will have a first floor design that has been specifically created for inner city areas where space is at a premium, maximising the area available. The store, which will create a further 40 new jobs, will have its shop floor located on the first level – accessed by travellator – and will feature a part undercroft, part external car park, allowing for ample customer parking.

    Construction of this new store is due to be completed early next summer.

    ---

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/120-new-jobs-coming-to-edinburgh-as-lidl-unveils-plans-for-new-stores-1-4572835

    Posted 6 years ago #

  25. Nelly
    Member

    Similar design as Sainsbury's longstone then.

    New Aldi opening next Wednesday at Cameron Toll

    Posted 6 years ago #

  26. Klaxon
    Member

    So ‘Metropolitan’ is putting the shop on the first floor and leaving the road facing areas devoid of any activity

    Posted 6 years ago #

  27. gibbo
    Member

    Lucky they'll have a big parking garage, as no-one lives in the area and no buses go past...

    I used to live in Meadowbank and sometimes walk down Easter Rd to the Duke St tesco.

    I really can't imagine people are going to come far and wide to get to this Lidl - which will be surrounded by nothing worth visiting.

    (Unless it cannibalises traffic from the Kirkgate Lidl.)

    After all, the location wasn't good enough to keep the B&Q alive, and it had no local competition.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  28. Klaxon
    Member

    I fear a surprisingly large number driving from as close as the modern mid-rise along Albion Rd and the Lochend Butterfly

    Posted 6 years ago #

  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    he location wasn't good enough to keep the B&Q alive

    Possibly more to do with B&Qs business model changing to a couple of out-of-town megabarns located on Motorways and getting rid of everything else possible.

    I fear a surprisingly large number driving from as close as the modern mid-rise along Albion Rd and the Lochend Butterfly

    Absolutely, despite its somewhat down at heel image, Easter Road has a lot of what we used to call "Yuppie flats" off both sides, around Brunswick Road, Albion Road / Hawkhill Avenue, Lochend Butterfly, Marionville Road, Urbane Den etc. These are all car-focussed developments, despite any greenwash on the part of developers.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  30. crowriver
    Member

    "These are all car-focussed developments"

    There's certainly some truth to that.

    Maybe also the case that the kinds of people who buy these flats are "car-focussed" too?

    If you look at Albion Road as it goes towards Lochend Butterfly and Lochend Park, loads of cars parked on the street (often inconsiderately/hazardously on bends or at junctions) despite the fact these developments nearly all have off-street parking.

    "I fear a surprisingly large number driving from as close as the modern mid-rise along Albion Rd and the Lochend Butterfly"

    Almost guaranteed. Whether this is better or worse than these same folk driving to Meadowbank Retail Park and/or Leith Tesco or the New Kirkgate LiDL is something that can be debated. Certainly seems less justifiable to drive that relatively short distance. However it's always surprising to see people drive from, say the Abbeyhill colonies to Meadowbank Retail Park which is literally next door. I think many people cannot actually conceive of carrying shopping more than the distance from the trolley to their car boot, or their car boot to their home.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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