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I'm not sure if it's fair to post this, but I found these bikes for sale on ebay in Livingstone, from the same seller. Neither have very much info (some incorrect) - just that they are "unwanted presents". Of course it may well be legitimate (I hope it is) but I thought I'd ask other folks' opinions...
(The revolution is close to what I was looking for in fact)
If he is a legitimate seller he's done a fantastic job of making himself look incredibly dodgy.
On ebay for years, only 1 sale so far, and that was in 2009, absolutely no activity since then.
Description is as you say very scant. 'Unwanted gift' and 'a couple of years old', for 2 rather different bikes.
Payment by paypal, pickup in person. I'm getting uneasy.
Honestly, I don't know, but enough alarm bells have rung already for me to be cautious about it. It's possible it's someone who knows little about bikes who really has got 2 he wants rid of and has just rediscovered his ebay account.
If you go through with it (and I'm not saying not to) be very wary of anything odd. I've had requests to meet and pay outside of ebay before etc.
thanks @allebong - I can't find either bike on any stolen bike register. I might try and check the revolution out and see what I think - it might just be the seller is massively incompetent. I'm looking forward to trying the hydraulic disc brakes in particular :-)
Same person - mmmm. Sounds very dodgy. And saying they were gifts avoids the need to have a receipt.
Also the brake descriptions look incorrect in both cases - there are not cantilever for the Kona and does the Revolution really have a hydraullic brakes?
Can you report such adverts to the polis?
Brake descriptions are wrong then, you won't be getting hydraulics on the revolution, in fact you'd struggle to get hydraulics on drop bars at all.
Devils advocate for a second: Ebay will try to automatically list the specs of an item when you put the make and model in - may be a mistake in their database.
Still, in the best case, this person appears genuinely clueless about the bikes, and even that is no excuse not to include basic condition information (any obvious scratches etc). Not looking good.
Brake descriptions are wrong then, you won't be getting hydraulics on the revolution, in fact you'd struggle to get hydraulics on drop bars at all.
indeed - hence the sarcasm on my part. I think it probably is a default for discs - it's a mistake which occurs elsewhere I've seen. Still - it would be cool if it had genuine new SRAM red shifters for drop handlebars with hydraulic reservoirs in the hoods....
Well payment is secure, as Paypal don't send the payment until you give positive feedback, or a certain time limit expires without dispute. You can chose to pay by paypal, go look at them and then if you think its dodgy don't accept and then enter a disput with Paypal.
Also they are both the same size, and perhaps were bought by him / her for themselves a couple of years ago, and never used. Some people get bikes as a midlife crisis and then never ride them. Perhaps the sellers partner is whinging about those unused bike in the garage?
You have nothing to lose as Paypal is more secure these days.
In this case Paypal is not secure, you'd need to return the bike by a signed for method to enter a claim. Just saying I didn't like it would not get your money back.
Cash on collection or walk away would be my advice.
indeed - hence the sarcasm on my part.
Which I seem to have missed. Ack!
Paypal don't send the payment until you give positive feedback
You sure about this? I recently sold several items, and in every case the money arrived in my paypal and was able to be used to buy other stuff before I'd sent the item off. Presumably there's a window where it can still be revoked after being received.
thanks for all the advice - I've asked to go and see it, so I'll be able to figure out more. As DaveC says - it might well be legitimate just incompetent posting.
@allebong - sorry my :-) should have been a ;-) perhaps
Paypal don't send the payment until you give positive feedback
Pretty sure that not right.
If its pickup only then why would they want to pay Paypal fee's instead of getting cash in hand, sounds dodgy and one I'd avoid.
Could be entirely genuine. Both same frame size. Whethet the 'gift' bit is true an entirely different matter.
I'd say if you want them, bid. I wouldn't bother using PayPal. Offer to pay on collection. Go and check the bikes out, take a test ride in the yard/street, if you like, pay, if not, don't. No harm done as you can cancel transaction and seller can relist.
Who puts SPDs on a gift... #justsayin (with the Kona)
Paypal don't send the payment until you give positive feedback
Definitely not right. I have noticed that giving feedback seems to be for losers nowadays and often don't get any feedback after selling stuff. I still get the payment though.
Just going by what my other half says. I've bought stuff a couple of times and had the seller hastling me for positive feedback. When I said I'd only paid a few pounds she told be that the money sits in paypal's account for X days unless positive feedback is given.
Suppose she could be wrong (but I'm not going to tell her that!!)
Ah, I think I know what this is. I had it once after a buyer disputed the description I had given on something. It meant that the next couple of times I sold something, I had to wait a couple of weeks before the payment actually came through but that was just time based, to give the buyer a chance to open a dispute if they wanted to.
Fwiw - just went to bloke's flat to look at this. He says he got two bike to work scheme bikes but doesn't use them. If they are stolen I have his address and mobile number so he's not a particularly proficient criminal. He just knows nothing about bikes..... odd but not dodgy I don't think
If they are bike to work he doesn't own them, his work does. If he has purchased them from his employer he will be able to provide proof. Incidentally, not that I am selling any of my Cyclescheme bikes, but I could lay my hands on the documentation for both of them pretty easily.
I'm now more alarmed, unwanted gift, now cycletowork, hmmm. I would ask for proof of purchase from his employer.
Although this is by far not the most persuasive of arguments, the bikes do look extremely clean and undamaged, and thus I could believe they could be unwanted gifts.
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And now that I see the above posts, aye if the guy let you in his house, then I would be inclined to think he's not a crook. Or maybe he's a really brilliant / awful one.
Still worth checking documentation, he may well have legitimately hired them on bike to work, but may have no legal right to sell them as he is not the legal owner of the bikes.
I can forward my C2W documentation if you like, it is perfectly clear from the docs that I don't own the bikes.
@Baldcyclist - thanks for this. I've not done cycle to work so I'm not entirely sure how it works - would he have to buy the bike off his employer first then? He may just be ignorant of course, rather than malicious...
"Buying" the bike off the employer was, in my case, my employer "giving" me the bike and then me paying tax on the "market value" as a taxable benefit in kind. The deal I had was 1 year making payments, 2 years after that where I was still not the owner, but "loaned" the bike, and at the end of the 3 years this deal emerged of the tax charge. Since the "market value" on the 3 year old £600-bike was then £70 or thereabouts, the tax on that was about £14 and they adjusted my tax code apparently so that I would pay £14 more tax the following year (i.e. I didn't notice it at all).
Both bikes look quite new. One person can only buy one bike at a time on bike to work. There is then the long period where you do not own it. Obviously not advertising this on eBay
If all true then likely to be making big loss on the bikes? The revolution bike is in their special offers at the moment but not for 25 quid and not in the XL size maybe?
Both bikes look quite new.
They would do if they've never been used.
The revolution bike is in their special offers at the moment but not for 25 quid and not in the XL size maybe?
I don't think Revolution actually do the Country Explorer any more, it's now called the Country Traveller (since 2013) and is a different colour. According to this the burgundy model is from 2012.
Kona Zing also not the latest model. Judging by the paint job and a quick image search, it could be the 2011 model.
So it's entirely feasible he's telling the truth and also that he now owns the bikes after two/three years. £25/£79 at the moment, but there's still 8 days to go. In my experience most bids come in in the last few seconds before the end.
Check out the revolution audax - currently at £399 and in claret. Needs a rack then is similar to the explorer but with sora 2x9 gears.? Reynolds steel too.
The revolution cyclocross pro in brushed aluminum has £350 off at £499 tiagra 2x10, will take mudguards and rack
Both bikes in most sizes
Both seem good prices to me
Hello,
thanks for the tips. I'll try and find out if it's been paid off but I doubt it. I am quite skint but interested in a steel frame with a touring (more relaxed) geometry and if possible disc brake brazings - hence the interest in this. The country Traveller is alluminium and has cantilever brakes.
@ Min
" "Paypal don't send the payment until you give positive feedback"
Definitely not right. I have noticed that giving feedback seems to be for losers nowadays and often don't get any feedback after selling stuff. I still get the payment though."
The new option for Paypal now is that the buyer isn't debited until 2 weeks after the sale, whereas the seller gets paid straight away. That gives the buyer a cooling off period in case of disputes and puts the onus on Paypal to claim the money back from the seller in such situations.
As for feedback, I'm a loser! :-o I always give feedback and will politely request it if I don't get any in return*. I've yet to sell anything, so my 100% rating has been easy to maintain. I realise that as a seller that can be harder as buyers will tend to be more critical than sellers for the obvious reason the seller knows the item's true condition etc before the transaction.
* I am patient and check the seller's feedback history to see if they send feedback in batches or a set time after a transaction, and only request feedback after the appropriate time has passed. Out of around 122 purchases, I think literally only 2 or 3 sellers have failed to respond in kind.
THe +FB/payment relates to sales meeting certain requirements.
New sellers,high risk categories etc
Seller now claims it belongs to him 100% and it's the Kona that was bought on bike to work scheme..... it all seems pretty suspect, but as I said before, I have his name, address and phone number so he's not a very good criminal....
Your call really. I'd suggest you either buy the bike or leave it. Looks like you have had several contacts with the seller. They'll be wondering if you are just stringing them along soon.
On the Plus side - Cheaper (??) bike - even if its c2w bike, the company might never find it through you/seller.
Negative - no come back if its stolen, no return/cash refund. Could be stolen and you might (very exceptional circumstances) be spotted by the real owner?
But buying from anyone who you consider may not be the owner, is perpetuating the stolen bikes game.
Depends on your own scruples.
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