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CYCLEHACK

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  1. crowriver
    Member

    While I agree with Morningsider that 'ideas' alone will not make much of a difference, I think the problem is more than just implementation (funding, design, construction, etc.).

    Insto hints at it with talking about "the violence inherent in the system" though I take a broader interpretation than perhaps he intended (or maybe not). As well as the literal ecosystem metaphor (with drivers of motor vehicles as top-level predators?), the political system dispenses "symbolic violence" (Bourdieu) towards cycling: disapproval, disdainment or just disinterest. This reflects an inherent bias within our social system towards motorised transport as the norm.

    Even when local government tries to improve matters (however modest the proposal) it comes up against defenders of the status quo. For instance, look at how the very timid plans to remove a few parking spaces on part of Leith Walk are being delayed and altered by organised objectors to the TRO. The complete disregard for any priority other than that of motor vehicle drivers weighs down upon our political ecosystem, strangling it like a parasitic organism whose tendrils permeate every area.

    The seeming inability to address this systemic pressure is why cycling schemes, projects and infrastructure are endlessly compromised. Any proposed systems based solution which fails to take account of this factor will be similarly defeated.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    So we aren't looking for suggestions of riding round Edinburgh with a pannier loaded up with hacksaws and maybe a portable angle-grinder and removing lots of constricting and/or dangerous metalwork for recycling?*

    *Daltons for Crap, must apply to crap infrastructure after all.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. bikeablejo
    Member

    I agree, challenges are always more complex than just one solution. We aim to complement existing work (which is why we have been speaking to the relevant cycling orgs and people).

    From working on this for the past few months (and through bikeablejo.com), it's been great to chat with cyclists who aren't members of these groups or organisations - who might not engage with the the cycling 'movement' for whatever reason. Maybe it's another way for cyclists to access the wider cycling community in Scotland.

    Please, no panniers full of saws of angle grinders....

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "Please, no panniers full of saws of angle grinders...."

    Well that did happen in the past!

    Then CEC wised up and did more itself.

    Then it started putting extra barriers in and (often) had to quickly move them further apart...!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    "it's been great to chat with cyclists who aren't members of these groups or organisations - who might not engage with the the cycling 'movement' for whatever reason"

    Aye, plenty of these 'here' - though also a lot of healthy engagement/involvement with PoP.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "This reflects an inherent bias within our social system towards motorised transport as the norm.

    ...

    The seeming inability to address this systemic pressure is why cycling schemes, projects and infrastructure are endlessly compromised."

    Sad but true

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. algo
    Member

    I have to admit to also feeling quite old reading this, but I don't think we should be too quick to judge. The hack paradigm is quite an effective one for generating real concrete solutions, and I am all for this. I don't think this suggestion should be viewed in the same light as that of the recent ill-fated thread - despite the perceived "marketing" jargon, the project aims to come up with actual physical and real suggestions which can be implemented - there are some good examples of such ideas and suggestions already I think.

    While I would like to see proper infrastructure, and I dream of being able to feel confident about letting my kids ride alone in the city, there also should be a parallel move towards making small positive and incremental changes to benefit cyclists, and improving the image of cycling, and the perception it has by the motoring majority.. those who help maintain the status quo and create the systemic pressure to which crowriver refers.

    When I see young folk cycling around without lights or on pavements, and then contrast that with the average age of the attendant at the recent Spokes event (apologies), I do think that this sort of event may well be able to bring about positive change by attracting a younger cycling audience to the notion of cycle campaigning. Hopefully to make cycling a more unified movement in some way by asking those that cycle to feel part of the cycling community.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    Like a hack in a program to get it to work?

    What will the hack be for the Cyclehack to get the ideas to work, given the inherent violence in the system funded by shell oil to keep the status quo?

    This is not to say that discussing ideas and drinking the first new gin to be made in Edinburgh in centuries is not a good idea, so if around I would aim to attend.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. algo
    Member

    @gembo - 2: Bassenthwaite?

    in this context - hack would just refer to a quick solution to make something work - as a prototype for example. However the term "Hack" I would say has been appropriated by the IT community somewhat, and "Hack" can in some lights be perceived quite positively - certainly my "non-hack" attempts at some programming are nothing in comparison to the "hack" attempts by some programmers attending this type of event.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Like a hack in a program to get it to work?

    Boot disk?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hack

    Random examples! -

    "
    A piece of computer code providing a quick or inelegant solution to a particular problem:

    "

    "

    it really hacks me off when they whine about what a poor job we’re doing

    "

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. bikeablejo
    Member

    Check out some examples of successful hack events such as http://www.designjams.org/, http://culturehack.org.uk/, and http://open.glasgow.gov.uk/hackathon/.

    Again, Cyclehack is not just about designers, developers and tech folk.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The challenge at each Future Hack is simple: pitch an idea that will make things better

    That sentence needs to be right up front, not buried within the detail. It begins to help the uninitiated to get their heads around what this "hack" thing actually is.

    I'd be more interested to see examples of where one of these ideas has actually translated into a bricks-and-mortar improvement.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    I know the computing usage of the word 'hack' (vb./adv./adj.) is now dominant, but I'm old enough to remember when it meant other things:

    - a type of horse or horse riding of an unserious/non-sporting nature (I think this is the original usage, derived from Hackney).
    - a type of bicycle or cycling as in the above equestrian example.
    - a lazy, cynical or institutionalised journalist (esp. writing for a newspaper).
    - related to the above, someone/thing purely working/used for money or expediency (eg. political hack).
    - a joke stolen from someone else (probably related to the two above).

    (According to wiki: 'It is believed that word originated from Hackney in East London, an area where horses were pastured. Historically, the term dates to a time when carriage horses were used for riding. These animals were called "hacks" as a contraction of "hackney," and was originally used to describe an ordinary riding horse, particularly one for hire.' Also: 'The term "hack writer" was first used in the 18th century, "when publishing was establishing itself as a business employing writers who could produce to order." ' )

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Another branch of the etymology tree for "hack", which shows more north American influence in certain usages:

    Definition of HACK

    transitive verb
    1
    a : to cut or sever with repeated irregular or unskillful blows
    b : to cut or shape by or as if by crude or ruthless strokes <hacking out new election districts>
    c : annoy, vex —often used with off
    2
    : to clear or make by or as if by cutting away vegetation <hacked his way through the brush>
    3
    a : to manage successfully <just couldn't hack the new job>
    b : tolerate <I can't hack all this noise>
    intransitive verb
    1
    a : to make chopping strokes or blows <hacked at the weeds>; also : to make cuts as if by chopping <hacking away at the work force>
    b : to play inexpert golf
    2
    : to cough in a short dry manner
    3
    : loaf —usually used with around
    4
    a : to write computer programs for enjoyment
    b : to gain access to a computer illegally

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. PS
    Member

    Bassenthwaite?

    Bassenthwaite Lake.

    Bassenthwaite's a village. ;-)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Good to be clearing up the hack with design jam and hackathons. When I were a nipper in the apparently cool city of Glasgow circa 1987 we had these things called Splash Happenings. I was always interested in something different from drinking 5-10 pints of tartan special and dancing badly. These splash happenings turned out to be nightclub that moved venue, with little bit of agitprop art etc.

    What I craved was a continental discussion of philosophy wearing a beret, smoking a cheroot and drinking espresso. I am thinking Cyclehack is approaching such an idea. I shall dig out the beret. I was wearing it once a hundred years back in the last century in the canny man and a woman came over to me and started berating my beret. Look at you in your fake beret pretending it came from the Basque Country like some perfumed ponce.I said Correction, my friend Mauri sent me this from the Basque Country, woman looked bit crestfallen, i said don't worry you were right about the perfumed ponce bit (this is reference to Withnail).

    It is my desire to attend the hack on my hack bike if I am fit. have hacking cough at mo.

    On the Bassenthwaite Lake rather than Lake Bassenthwaite. Correct. (Was reminded of this pub quiz question by listening to R4).

    Question 1 I am a serious Ac-tor. The people behind this LP of the movie also produced books of their movies which had the script and various bits of apocrypha. If that is not a big enough clue, movie appears often in this forum, usually me or wee folding bike reference it.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. fimm
    Member

    So is it more like a brainstorming session, then?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    I know it references Leonard Nimoy's claim, but don't know the titles. I know this from Spitting Image's skit, where he auditioned for a serious role with "To be, or not to be, that is... illogical, Captain".

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "So is it more like a brainstorming session, then?"

    Seems so -

    "

    Brainstorming is a group or individual creativity technique by which efforts are made to find a conclusion for a specific problem by gathering a list of ideas spontaneously contributed by its member(s).

    "

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming

    Though I think there was a time when people involved in mental health were hacked off about the use of the word.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "Spitting Image's skit"

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  22. SRD
    Moderator

    timely:

    Hacking is a Mindset, Not a Skillset: Why civic hacking is key for contemporary creativity.

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/01/16/hacking-is-a-mindset-not-a-skillset/

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. bikeablejo
    Member

    Brainstorming + doing (prototyping as some might call it). You can look at what they did with OPEN Glasgow here: http://open.glasgow.gov.uk/energeticsunday/.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. gembo
    Member

    @SRD, read that link by tanya snook. Sounds like solving sticky problems in design. Note Sarah Drummond who is co-organising Cyclehack is from Snook.

    Two snooks? Cannot be coincidence.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. SRD
    Moderator

    our theatre art teacher in junior high high school (thank you wikipedia) created a persona called snook: http://www.rightonsnook.com/

    also

    http://ntv.ca/category/programs-and-features/snook/

    some funny (said in thick newfie accent).

    anything's better than teaching the likes of me obviously

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. chrisfl
    Member

    Have to admit this is the first I've heard of cyclehack, and I've been to this kind of event.

    I've no idea what they're thinking about, but my experience of hack events has generally been good, often there is is a social/brainstorming session often involving post it notes. This then tends to break down to people gathering in groups, the ideal group will be a mixture of people with different skill and experience who then work on that problem.

    I guess that there are small problems that can be tackled in this kind of way, from helping people to find routes or identifying problem areas's, or hotspots (I wonder if some guerilla sign making is going too far).

    or perhaps stuff like creating this map highlighting the fragmented cycling network in Dunbar ttps://www.flickr.com/photos/29266908@N02/10144637966/in/photostream/

    or things like using cable ties on tires to make them more grippy in the ice.

    But the idea is too talk about problems and then come up with some kind of solvable solution, some of which would be useful and hopefully meet people and have some fun along the way.

    I would have a worry about the Kickstarter, they say you can tell if a Kickstarter is going to succeed within the first day and things aren't looking good. I would urge the organisers to start small, find a cheap (or free) venue, get people signed up and start to build momentum. Then look for sponsorship, if you get money then you can start to provide meals drinks etc. But if not then the event can still go ahead. Certainly this has worked very well for some of the OpenStreetMap events of this type I've been involved with and attended.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. LaidBack
    Member

    Link to Dunbar had 'h' missing.
    https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/29266908@N02/10144637966/

    Lots to think about!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. fimm
    Member

    Laidback's link was for a mobile device, and didn't work for me - here's the original (fixed, I hope):
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/29266908@N02/10144637966/in/photostream/

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. Lizzie
    Member

    I think you have hit the nail on the head, Chrisfl.
    I'm not too sure what the word 'hack' means in this context either, but I for one think this concept/process (however you would call it) is a fab idea for a way of trying to find solutions to issues that affect cycling. A lot of small things could be identified that may not cost a lot to implement. Or that can be implemented easily. Whether this is short term fixes to a bad bit of potholing (not that I suggest we fix the pothole, but that we could maybe find a way of making the pothole less troublesome for cyclists to negotiate); a new quicker and cheaper method of marking the edge of a cycle path so that folks can use them even on the dark (yes I know we have a good solution to the towpath with the current lighting but that was expensive to install - but what if that could be extended very cheaply all the way to the RBS campus, or Livingston)? an easy solution to the dropped kerbs that are not quite dropped but which could be implemented without all the roadworks etc the cooncil usually goes in for). And what about non-infrastructure barriers to cycling? Cycle streets is a fab site: you get to plan a route that suits you and this helps overcome the first fright of cycling...but I am sure there are other ideas which could help to make cycling less daunting even before folks get on their bikes. Or even smaller scaled storage solutions that could be implemented quickly and cheaply.

    Yes we know we have planning and transport planning, and transport policy and climate change policy and etc all of which we as cyclists need to engage with and indeed some of the "hacks" might be stuff that involved them in the longer term, and no-one is trying to suggest that all the good work done by Spokes, CTC and PoP etc is anything less than totally fab. But there are other tiny everyday solutions that might help break down barriers (physical, psychological or otherwise) in the meantime. (I remember Peter Hawkins used to go out with a dibber so that the puddles on cycle tracks could be drained - this could be seen as a cycle "hack": an immediate solution to an immediate problem).

    So a weekend of thinking about issues? In a room with loads of other folks from different backgrounds and with different perspectives of what the barriers are and how they might be got round? Working out ideas for solutions and then prototyping them? And an opensource catalogue of solutions to problems identified by cyclists for cyclists? Sounds totally fab to me, even though I too find the language a bit young and daunting.

    btw: I love the cable ties for tyres in the ice idea: this put on the open source catalogue would be a very fine start.

    Lizzie.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Pop-Up City (@popupcity)
    02/04/2014 11:03
    The Rotten Apple project aims to improve public space through simple and clever hacks:

    http://popupcity.net/32579 pic.

    http://twitter.com/CfvmKbhOn4

    "

    Posted 10 years ago #

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