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Ban all on-street parking within the city bypass. If you don’t have private land to park on, you don’t get to park it. The City Car Club & bike share would flourish.
Permit bays only serve to legitimise & entitle motorists to help themselves to public space
Even then they should ban entrances with in center area as entrance creates a hazard and wears out the sidewalk and takes up land the council could use as a flower bed . If live in the center should have to use a tunnel to the edge of town or air lift to more suitable entrance. As when cycle on some paths cars always bolt out.
Parking permits create a sense of entitlement and may make it harder for a council to pedestrianize a street, also create less revenue subsiding parking in relation to pay and display. Parking permit is akin to a privatization of the street as unlike pay and display creates sense of entitlement and ownership and politically hard to re do like re nationalizing a council house. Parking permits are one of those Tory type policies that seems sensible but may not be as limits future use options of street, politically has the effect of selling of the street. Of course parking permits are politically popular with residents of an area as they get something (almost) for nothing, but for revenue or future use of streets limiting. Permits more result of the electoral system people in small local areas may like but at the expense of council revenue, and better street design, permits may be worse. If voting areas were bigger may be less politically popular. Also benefits concentrated but the costs dispersed. So the 1 beneficiary will make more noise than the 10 losers etc.
Same van there again this morning. Obviously stops there most mornings to go & get some Tesco breakfast. Hooray for hungry, scofflaw white van men!
White transit, half in the bike lane exiting the bollarded section, half in the advanced stop box, at the lights outside Tesco Express on Leith Walk with its Magic Parking Lights on whilst the driver nipped in to get something for breakfast.
@Ed1, that is absolute nonsense. Permits were introduced into areas that previously had no restrictions on evening and weekend parking, so those buying a permit/entitled to do so, are paying for something that was free before (if you ignore the 30 minutes spent driving round the block looking for a space).
Your solution also ignores tenement living where main door flats with small gardens at the front might be the only ones able to convert space into a parking space, possibly by removing garden amenity (flowers and trees) and replacing that with tarmac. Where small front gardens have been converted to driveways, that is often horrendous. Would end up with massive empty streets though; what would they be used for?
In dundee residents of the center which was pedestrianised could apply for a permit for the multi story car park outside the center (20 years ago when i lived in dundee center)
It depends on perspective some people think people should not be driving private cars in the center of edinburgh. I my self dont have any particular strong feelings on the subject. However if accept the premise that people should not be driving in to edinburgh, like park and rides could be spaces for edinburgh residents at park and ride rather than in town. So if want to drive outside edinburgh you park at park and ride and bus in. If you live in edinburgh bus out to the park and ride where your car is.
Parking permits may be considered a right whereas free parking is just the commons not owned so easier to take away, may be poltically harder to get rid of permit parking. In many parts of edinburgh parking permits may be a considered a subsidy as less than what the market rate would be for the space. Parking permit is generally a subisidy because council wont get polltical presure to introduce until the area has demand that may be worth metering.
Permit parking encourages people to drive around town bad for local pollution more so if deisel cold starting several times a day in build up area, worse even than commutors who may cold start once a day in town.
It may be more environmental if car use in town was restricted, if someone wants to drive to work then may be better not to live in the center of edinburgh but live nearer to work or the outside of edinburgh to reduce local pollution. This would then free up property in the center of edinburgh for people who work in the center of edinburgh so may create 2 less journeys. It may be a more efficent use of resources.
I am not anti car I drove a ferrari last weekend. Its just that if people think should be park and rides for people coming in then to work should be for people in edinburgh. As otherwise empty streets fill with cars does not cut car use. It would make driving more attactive in town. If people want reduced driving in down parking permits may be the wrong approach. A congestion charge that applied irrespective of where journey commenced but how many miles down in town. And encourage people in town to park at park and ride etc. Rather than have permits could metter each space that would be the econonically efficent approach.
In the wide empty streets could build flower beds and market stalls and child play areas or cycle lanes, bus and some people would say tram lines. Personally would not use most those my self but think that is the theory.
Parking permits are a pro car tory type policy, I am not particular anti car or tory. If lived in leith would probably want permits so I could park my car, but a car or driving reduction policy it is not.
A coach parked on Gilmore Place this morning, completely blocking the east-bound lane while blocking the view for anyone trying to exit Lower Gilmore Place, which I found to my almost peril as a car pulled out around the back of the coach as I was getting into position to turn right.
Does anyone know whether a dropped kerb and the pavement between it and the boundary of the property it provides access to count as being part of the footway?
I know that you're allowed to drive over the pavement to access a property. But this morning I saw a car parked across the dropped kerb access to a property in such a way as to completely block the footway - the only way past was to walk in the road. I assume that the driver was either the property owner, or someone known to them visiting the property (although, if that was the case, why didn't they just leave their vehicle properly on the driveway rather than blocking the footway?)
(Oh, and the road has zig-zag lines at that point, on account of there being a pedestrian crossing a few yards away from the dropped kerb. I'm pretty certain that parking within the zig-zag lines is illegal regardless of whether you're parked on the footway or in the road.)
@ejstubbs - you're not allowed to block the footway, so parking like that is illegal. Parking on the carriageway in front of a dropped kerb is also illegal.
Parking on zig-zags is illegal as you say, and can be enforced by either police or the council.
The Mound entirely blocked by delivery vans, taxis, private cars and buses.
World Heritage Site.
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And while bus passes have to be declared as a benefit, there is no requirement on councillors to declare the fact they have a parking space. Parking in the street near Waverley Court would cost £37 for a full day.
Green councillor Gavin Corbett said the situation was “absurd” and criticised the council for encouraging councillors to bring their cars into the city centre while urging everyone else to opt for public transport, walking or cycling.
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Police Officers used to get free use of buses in Edinburgh if they were on their way to/from work - the agreement was that they were effectively on duty from the minute they got on the bus and were expected to wade in if anything happened (not that they wouldn't anyway).
It was removed a few years ago as it was considered a perk that might influence their work.
Must be a different scheme for Councillors...
Been parked like this since 0830 this morning. I think people in the the queue it's causing both ways are placated by the fact his hazard lights are on.
@chdot free parking is a subsidy for drivers. If I wasn't driving to work I might wonder why I wasn't getting something of similar value to subsidise my travel choic-- hang on. I don't drive to work, and my work does offer free parking*. Hmm.
*use of which limited resource is determined via some entirely opaque historical methodology.
use of which limited resource is determined via some entirely opaque historical methodology.
If only there some people nearby interested in historical methodology, eh?
None of them Byzantine though...
Oh, I bet some of the people are byzantine...
The bike racks outside Sainsburys Leith Walk were 2/3 motorbike last night, one of which has been in that position every evening for at least a week. And motorbikes are as wide as the gap between two sheffield racks so one motorbike blocks the space of two bicycles.
Colin Fox,leader of the SSP, parked on double yellows on Laswade Road, but he's a nice guy so....
@IWRATS: wasn't there a photo of him from a while back leaving his car in the No Vehicles part of Castle St? Maybe he has an ideological opposition to parking rules. Or maybe like so many others he's just a selfish <rule 2>
@Stickman
I don't know. He genuinely is a nice person but there may be a gammonish aspect to his motoring.
"He genuinely is a nice person but there may be a gammonish aspect to his motoring."
Could probably be said about most rubbish drivers.
@Frenchy
Foxy bolting just as the Law arrives. Very good.
Police car parked on the pavement on Gilmerton Road.
Food van at my place of work, which is normally parked on double yellow lines in the car park, has today been moved because it was preventing buses from turning in the car park and lots of buses are using the car park today.
So they've moved it to a disabled parking space instead.
http://www.broughtonspurtle.org.uk/news/locals-see-red-lack-red
"Residents on Broughton Place Lane are tearing their hair out at Council inaction over blocked access to their homes.
The quiet cul-de-sac is narrow at the best of times, but narrower still at the Lyon & Turnbull end overlooking St Mary’s RC Primary School.
Unfortunately, this is precisely where thoughtless visitors keep parking their cars, often making it impossible for residents to get their own vehicles in or out. "
i watched someone park a small 'white van' today.
they were two feet from the kerb.
at an angle.
half in, half out of the bus stop.
in a pay and display, but did neither--bolted to a well known pastry shop.
the parking was bad enough, but it took three movements to get the van into that position, and they then sat quietly for a minute before getting out.
Everything backed up from Forrest Road back on Teviot Place and the other one.
Two vans parked opposite each other - one on delivery, one watering flowers. There wasn't room to get a bus through so the whole thing was blocked.
a solid four cars turning into Roseburn Road this morning after my light has turned green.
PHC driver parked on double yellow lines, blocking the dropped kerb at the uncontrolled pedestrian crossing on Drum Street.
"Do you know you're blocking the crossing point and dropped kerb? There're double yellow lines."
"Are you having a laugh?"
"Nope"
"..."
"..."
*reverses so that he's still on the yellow lines, but isn't blocking the dropped kerb*
I figure it's not worth arguing more, and thank them.
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